# bin Laden is dead?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [May 2, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436 "2011-05-02T02:46:11Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/221 "2011-05-02T23:21:31Z")

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> [@Kinthalis](#):
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> I don’t know about you, but I don’t go around losing any sleep over some angry Muslim guy with an outdated rifle 8,000 miles away.

You evidently don’t know anything about me.

> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#):
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> Clearly you have an astute and technical level of expertise on this topic. We should all listen carefully to your analysis.

You evidently do.

> [@classyladyhp](#):
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> Forgive me if this is a dumb question. I’m not really into politics. How is the US allowed to just go and kill him? Isn’t the normal procedure to capture him?

He’s not a US Person. We can do anything we want to him. He did, after all, declare war on us. Not that any of that matters when the bullets start flying.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/222 "2011-05-02T23:32:24Z")

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Whew! Limbaugh is still Limbaugh, the fabric of space/time is unripped…

**Limbaugh: If Obama Were A Shoo-In For Re-Election “Osama Bin Laden Would Still Be Alive Today”**

[http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201105020004](http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201105020004)

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**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/223 "2011-05-02T23:36:35Z")

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> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> I agree. Carter took the heat for the failed delta force operation during the Iran hostage crisis.

IIRC, Carter micro-managed the Iran hostage operation, overruling some aspects requested by the military and insisting on others against military advice - mainly for political reasons - which helped contribute to the delta force disaster.

And no, [Katy Perry](http://twitter.com/katyperry), you’re a pretty girl and all and I’m sure a very sweet person, but no, I don’t think an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/224 "2011-05-02T23:37:46Z")

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> [@Dangerosa](#):
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> [http://www.templeofthefuture.net/current-affairs/the-tolling-bell-do-some-deserve-to-die](http://www.templeofthefuture.net/current-affairs/the-tolling-bell-do-some-deserve-to-die)

I found that a very interesting piece, reflecting my own thoughts on how I myself should be reacting and I appreciated his honesty as he admits that he isn’t quite sure about what he just posted.

I myself am not inclined to celebrate. I’m against the death penalty and actually see all criminals as victims and worthy of sympathy. But I always get uncomfortable when someone suggests how others should or shouldn’t react. If someone wants to dance in the streets because bin Laden has been killed, I’m not going to suggest that they have misbehaved.

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**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/225 "2011-05-02T23:41:22Z")

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Truly this is a great day for often-maligned U.S. intelligence.

Though you wonder if they could have found a better term to describe Osama bin Laden’s [opulent lifestyle](http://abcnews.go.com/International/osama-bin-laden-living-high-hog/story?id=13512167) while on the run.

And now he’s in “hog heaven”. ☹

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**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/226 "2011-05-02T23:42:25Z")

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> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#):
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> Wow, are you misinformed. This talking point has been debunked years ago by dozens of economists. You really should educate yourself.

He’s actually saying that if you want to see any of the ground work laid by Republicans come to fruition you should vote Democratic for President and reap, reap, reap.

The reality is that Republicans raid the treasury as much as possible of all money and credit when they control the executive branch and reduce the tax burden of the wealthy and corporations. Then, when their policies result in massive long term deficit spending they fight restoring the taxes because they want the poor and middle class taxed for their benefit. It turns the naive and idealistic ideas of clueless socialists into something repugnant and evil so that they can embrace it.

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**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/227 "2011-05-02T23:51:38Z")

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My mother woke up my brothers this morning by singing “Ding dong, the witch is dead!”

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**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/228 "2011-05-03T00:00:30Z")

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> [@Slithy\_Tove](#):
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> I’m convinced it was done by the SAS, not the Seals; who then let the US take credit so the UK, with its larger Islamic population, would be spared the blowback. But the whole thing was ordered by the Queen to give Kate & William respite from the press and so avoid another Charles and Diana fiasco.
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> Just connecting the dots.

And they glided in on Charles’ back using his ears for wings.

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**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/229 "2011-05-03T00:01:46Z")

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> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#):
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> He’s actually saying that if you want to see any of the ground work laid by Republicans come to fruition you should vote Democratic for President and reap, reap, reap.

You have to admit that GWB inherited a CIA and military intelligence capability that had been decimated and shrunk to near impotence by the Clinton administration. Despite his having been out of office for a couple of years now, most of the intelligence and military capabilty that eventually resulted in bin-Laden’s being found was developed during Bush’s time in office.

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/230 "2011-05-03T00:06:05Z")

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> [@Kinthalis](#):
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> Also, go fuck yourself.

Reminder: this sort of language is a violation of the pit rules, as outlined [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858). Please refrain from this language in the future.

No warning issued.

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/231 "2011-05-03T00:06:10Z")

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> [@Starving\_Artist](#):
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> You have to admit that GWB inherited a CIA and military intelligence capability that had been decimated and shrunk to near impotence by the Clinton administration…

No, actually, I don’t have to admit that at all, unless you got proof.

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**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/232 "2011-05-03T00:21:50Z")

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To the “revelry is abhorrent” crowd:

Fuck Osama bin Laden. I hope the crabs rape his corpse before they tear it apart.

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**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/233 "2011-05-03T00:32:57Z")

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> [@classyladyhp](#):
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> Forgive me if this is a dumb question. I’m not really into politics. How is the US allowed to just go and kill him? Isn’t the normal procedure to capture him?

It’s far from a dumb question. The US is at war with Al Qaeda (Congress passed an Authorization for Military Force stating the military could be used against Al Qaeda) and OBL is a member of Al Qaeda. Therefore, in a war you can kill your enemy as a measure of first resort. You don’t need to try and capture the enemy first.

I started a thread asking this same question in Great Debates (“Was Killing Osama bin Laden Lawful?”)

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**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/234 "2011-05-03T00:34:22Z")

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It’s amazing what you Americans can do the week Playstation Network is down.

😃

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**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/235 "2011-05-03T00:41:17Z")

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> [@Gukumatz](#):
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> It’s amazing what you Americans can do the week Playstation Network is down.
> 
> 😃

Well, Osama shouldn’t have had his info stored on the PSN. He was wrong to trust Sony to keep his information safe.

😛

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**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/236 "2011-05-03T00:49:34Z")

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> [@Cort](#):
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> It’s amazing what you Americans can do when the PS3 network is down 😉

> [@Gukumatz](#):
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> It’s amazing what you Americans can do the week Playstation Network is down.

Hmmm…

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/237 "2011-05-03T00:56:01Z")

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> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> The prosperity of the 1990’s and the internet boom was the result of groundwork laid by Reagan and HW Bush, not CLinton. The crash… THAT was the result of Clinton.

Horse pucky.

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**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/238 "2011-05-03T01:22:02Z")

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> [@Chessic\_Sense](#):
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> Hmmm…

Hah! That shows me. I thought I was stealing it from someone y’all didn’t know about. Ah, too bad. (And now I see it’s on Facebook, as well.)

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**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/239 "2011-05-03T02:11:54Z")

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Osama was a nasty piece of work, but this is tribalism at its ugliest. If Obama or Bush were killed these same people would be devastated, even though they’ve killed far more innocents than ObL.

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**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/240 "2011-05-03T02:37:18Z")

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> [@marshmallow](#):
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> Osama was a nasty piece of work, but this is tribalism at its ugliest. If Obama or Bush were killed these same people would be devastated, even though they’ve killed far more innocents than ObL.

😢

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