# bin Laden is dead? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436 "2011-05-02T02:46:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/281 "2011-05-03T22:19:28Z")
> [@MidnightMagus](#): > > …American propaganda claims a GROUP of soliders, under direct orders from Obama, stormed a fortified compound and murdered Osama Bin Laden, then promptly discarded the body into the sea, “in accordance with Islamic tradition” s…o there is no evidence the man is even dead. This is NOT an American victory, but another lie propagated by YOUR government, so, instead reposting utter bullshit on Facebook, what proactive solution do you have to make sure the soldier you are routing for works for a government that is worth fighting for??? > > My son wrote that, but in truth he and I both think Bin Laden died years ago. That is, of course, just a guess. So, would photos and video convince you? And just what remedies would your son advocate for the 3,000 who were murdered by this man in the 9/11 attacks? Nothing? Just live and let live? ETA: Let me be clear that I am not ascribing your son’s opinion to you. The two questions above are unrelated, and are meant as specific questions to you and your son, respectively. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/282 "2011-05-03T23:39:45Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > I don’t believe that all the celebrants were there for the sake of second-hand blood lust and macho posturing. Some significant portion of the crowd gathered to express the joy that only justice can releases. > > And a roughly equal percentage were guys looking to get laid. (Hey, it’s life-affirming). “I realized some time ago that I’m not separate from nature just because I have a primate brain - an upper brain - because underneath the primate brain, there’s a mammalian brain, and beneath the mammalian brain, there’s a reptilian brain; and it’s those two lower brains that made the upper brain possible in the first place. Here’s the way it works: The primate brain says, ‘Give peace a chance.’ The mammalian brain says, ‘Give peace a chance, but first let’s kill this motherfucker.’ And the reptilian brain says, ‘Let’s just kill the motherfucker, go to the peace rally and get laid.’” – George Carlin ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/283 "2011-05-04T00:07:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, actually, I don’t have to admit that at all, unless you got proof. Look, I realize that as non-moderators we can’t _forbid_ him to post, but PLEASE don’t _invite_ him to… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/284 "2011-05-04T00:14:54Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > What’s so hard to understand? Cheering 9/11 = bad. Cheering justice being served for 9/11 = good. USA = right. Al Qaeda = wrong. It’s not fucking hard to figure out. Who’s side are you on, anyway? Fuck that. Cheering the death of a human being = bad. So I won’t do it. You cheerers go on and have your fun. If you want to sneer at me and question my love for my country when I decline to participate in that, though, you earn my disdain in response. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/285 "2011-05-04T00:20:30Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > I still say public celebration is tacky and Life is worth more respect. Human beings can disagree on these things. Not the ones who care about being right, like you and me… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/286 "2011-05-04T01:45:27Z")
Our respect for life derives from our compassion, we can afford to shrug off our brother’s need to let out the evil mojo, so long as no one is actively harmed. A desire for vengence is kinda depraved, but since the vengence has already occured, not so much harm. Not quite so much a pep rally for death that way. No blame. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/287 "2011-05-04T01:56:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Not quite so much a pep rally for death. I gotta agree, that’s in bad taste. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/288 "2011-05-04T01:58:27Z")
I did not cheer, but I don’t care if others did. Honestly, he killed 2 friends of mine in the Pentagon. I’d shoot ObL myself given the chance, and I wouldn’t care if he was armed or not. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/289 "2011-05-04T02:53:28Z")
I wonder if the SEAL dudes who took out OBL are the same ones who took out the Somali pirates a couple of years ago. They do get around. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/290 "2011-05-04T03:29:50Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Horse pucky. So when I roll my eyes IRL while I type that, you can’t see it? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/291 "2011-05-04T03:43:48Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Darn, aint that convenient, when you see images of “The Arab street” rejoicing on september 11, apparently it is solid proof of their crazy belligerent nature. > When the US act the same way, cleaaaaarly it is “only a few of us”. Celebrating in the streets over the death of a guy who was responsible for the death of 300 inoocents victims is one thing, celebrating in the streets over the deaths of those 3000 innocent victims is another. I wouldn’t go out celebrating in the streets but I can see how some people might want to. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/292 "2011-05-04T03:48:30Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > – bolding mine. > > [Bullshit](http://www.iraqbodycount.org/). But go ahead, keep telling yourself that. Well, its hard to justify everything America does (especially the invasion of Iraq) but certainly taking someone like Osama bin Laden out of commission was a good thing. In fact other than the invasion of Iraq and the laissez faire attitudes that led to the financial crisis, I don’t know that we have done very much wrong in the last ten years or so. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/293 "2011-05-04T03:57:43Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Please show me the mortgages that Fanny and Freddy originated, > The answer is zero. The bad mortgages were create by the banksters and sleezy mortgage companies who did not care about whether they were good or not since they had no intention of keeping them. And that was followed by Fannie and Freddie creating CDOs . Wait, that was the bankers too, wasn’t it. Well they must be responsible for AAA rating all the bad mortgages ? Nope, that was the rating companies who caused that. > The bankers are responsible for that mess. Put the blame where it belongs on the back of politicians who killed regulation and the freewheeling bankers who were looting homeowners across the world at an incredible rate. I was being sarcastic but Fannie and Freddie are not pure as the driven snow. Their hybrid status made them susceptible to market pressures that drove them to start buying up more crap mortgages than they would have liked to (see Countrywide and Mozillo threatening to boycott Fannie and Freddie if they didn’t relax their standards). Ginnie Mae on the other hand as an entirely government run entity maintained their underwriting standards and ended up taking very little damage from the mortgage meltdown. Now they do as much (if not more) business than Fannie or Freddie and noone else does any. If you are looking for a precipitating factor to the mortgage meltdown it was the advent of private label mortgage securities. There once was a time when almost everyone sold their mortgages to Fannie and Freddie because there wasn’t much of a market for securities issued by anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/294 "2011-05-04T03:59:52Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > First off, let me state that I voted for Obama, and I have no dislike for the man, that said… > > \ technically, Obama did not kill OBL, yes he authorized the mission, but unless he was using his Super-Secret-Ninja-Powers, he wasn’t actually the triggerman, the real credit for OBL’s death should be given to the Navy SEAL team that gave OBL a terminal case of lead poisoning > > Obama does deserve credit for authorizing the mission, but he didn’t kill OBL > > and yes, I am celebrating that scumbag’s death, may the fish eat well! Obama is about as responsible for killing bin Laden as bin Laden is responsible for killing the folks in the WTC and he deserves about as much credit. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/295 "2011-05-04T04:19:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Obama is about as responsible for killing bin Laden as bin Laden is responsible for killing the folks in the WTC and he deserves about as much credit. Bush did not start the Iraq war either then. He authorized it but it was those soldiers who really did it. Maybe it was the Iraqis who fought back. they started it. If we walked in and they did not resist, there would have been no war. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/296 "2011-05-04T13:42:22Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Bush did not start the Iraq war either then. He authorized it but it was those soldiers who really did it. Maybe it was the Iraqis who fought back. they started it. If we walked in and they did not resist, there would have been no war. I was trying to say that Obama IS responsible for killing bin Laden (and deserves credit for it) and bin Laden IS responsible for WTC attacks (and deserves “credit” for it); just like Bush IS responsible for deceiving the country into believing that invading Iraq in order to get popular support for invading a country that was aboslutely no threat to America (and deserves “credit” for it). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/297 "2011-05-04T13:44:34Z")
Oh no. Bush isn’t responsible for that. It’s the words – the words he spoke. It’s their fault! ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/298 "2011-05-04T14:15:20Z")
Nancy Pelosi is understandably delighted that Bin Laden has been caught. > [@](#): > > The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . . I guess this quote from a September 7, 2006 press conference must have come from someone cleverly impersonating her: > [@](#): > > [E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer. Either that or Nancy Pelosi is a shameless fucking hypocrite. But perish the thought! [Link](http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/05/03/intellectual-dishonesty-of-na%0Ancy-pelosi/) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/299 "2011-05-04T14:21:14Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Either that or Nancy Pelosi is a shameless fucking hypocrite. But perish the thought! She _is_ a politician. Even the ones who don’t want to make the rich richer and everyone else poor lie most of the time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/300 "2011-05-04T14:24:45Z")
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