# bin Laden is dead?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [May 2, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436 "2011-05-02T02:46:11Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/121 "2011-05-02T14:47:27Z")

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I agree that celebrating isn’t the way to go. I’m more of the ‘close the file and move onto the next asshole’ type.

> [@elucidator](#):
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> I read that the WH is stressing that all Muslim proprieties concerning the treatment of the dead are being carefully observed. Smart.

But I’m not adverse to a little payback. Drop the body at the closest pig farm and let the hogs take care of it.

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**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/122 "2011-05-02T14:50:30Z")

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> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#):
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> It is this sort of attitude that smacks of some sort of northern European/Western cultural self perceived superiority.

huh?

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> Quit being so uptight.
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> I can remember when rock’n’roll was the music of the devil.

Uptight? This is serious news and a serious situation. There are probably going to be many more deaths that arise out of this. Sorry if I don’t react the same way that I would when my favorite football team wins the Superbowl.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/123 "2011-05-02T14:50:45Z")

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> [@Uzi](#):
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> But I’m not adverse to a little payback. Drop the body at the closest pig farm and let the hogs take care of it.

I’m asking seriously, here. What possible useful purpose would such savagery serve?

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/124 "2011-05-02T14:57:52Z")

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> [@PunditLisa](#):
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> I understand the celebrations because I know a lot of people were a lot closer to the tragedy than I was. However, my first reaction was not joy, but rather a simple acknowledgment that an evil man was put to death, and the satisfaction that comes with knowing that he deserved his end. (I had the same reaction when Ted Bundy was executed. It was deserved, but I didn’t exactly whoop in joy.)

My wife is a New Yorker, and she wasn’t happy either. She actually felt bad that she wasn’t happy. I told her it wasn’t something she should be _happy_ about, per se, but that she ought to feel satisfied.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/125 "2011-05-02T15:00:56Z")

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> [@C3](#):
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> I’m also uncomfortable with the celebrations. To me, it trivializes the accomplishment. I’m glad they got him, I’m thankful to the people who found him and went in there and killed him, I think the world is a better place without Bin Laden. It’s not a football game, though. Showing the same level of glee that we’d normally reserve for a good win at the Olympics seems off the mark.

Yes. I was pretty close to feeling disgusted when I saw video on the news and pictures in the paper of Americans chanting and celebrating. ObL deserved to be brought to justice, and I don’t have a problem with us taking him out, but it’s still a solemn occasion and should be treated as such.

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**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/126 "2011-05-02T15:02:12Z")

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> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> I’m asking seriously, here. What possible useful purpose would such savagery serve?

Savagery? If he was alive beforehand, yeah. But it is a dead body. Meat in other words. Hey, maybe it would keep him out of his religion’s fucked up version of heaven, if it existed. Or send a message to potential enemies of their eventual fate.

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**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/127 "2011-05-02T15:03:17Z")

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> [@Boyo\_Jim](#):
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> Maybe it’s just me, but it seems really creepy to have big crowds gathering to cheer someone’s death – ANYONE’S death.

Fuck that shit.

After what bin Laden did to our country, celebrating is an entirely appropriate reaction to this news. Hell, if I lived in DC, I’d have been right out there with them. (I mean, if I hadn’t already been in bed when I heard. :))

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**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/128 "2011-05-02T15:06:35Z")

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LOL, I found this amusing:

[![](https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjvvpf9VS1qahtbuo1_400.gif) ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjvvpf9VS1qahtbuo1_400.gif)

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**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/129 "2011-05-02T15:12:49Z")

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> [@Wheelz](#):
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> Fuck that shit.
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> After what bin Laden did to our country, celebrating is an entirely appropriate reaction to this news. Hell, if I lived in DC, I’d have been right out there with them. (I mean, if I hadn’t already been in bed when I heard. :))

Isn’t that exactly what the masses celebrating 9/11 in that part of the world were saying?

“After what those Americans have done to our countries why shouldn’t we celebrate?”  
I think the whole thing is silly.

I mean, really? We killed an old man, who is absolutely no threat to us any longer in his bed. And all it costs us was several trillion dollars, the erosion of some of our own ideals and rights, thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties (but maybe they don’t count 'cause they were brown and Muslim?).

I can’t muster more than a half-hearted, eh… for this bit of news.

Guy had it coming, but the actual achievement seems, well less of an achievement given all that’s transpired.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/130 "2011-05-02T15:24:58Z")

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> [@Uzi](#):
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> Savagery? If he was alive beforehand, yeah. But it is a dead body. Meat in other words. Hey, maybe it would keep him out of his religion’s fucked up version of heaven, if it existed. Or send a message to potential enemies of their eventual fate.

Yeah, sure, that whole “desecrate bodies so our enemies fear us” thing always works out so well.

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**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/131 "2011-05-02T15:28:58Z")

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My reaction:

Good. Fuck that guy.

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**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/132 "2011-05-02T15:32:42Z")

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And I like this:

[http://pete.com/files/thumbs/obama-osama.jpg](http://pete.com/files/thumbs/obama-osama.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/133 "2011-05-02T15:36:11Z")

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> [@Ogre](#):
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> And I like this:
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> [http://pete.com/files/thumbs/obama-osama.jpg](http://pete.com/files/thumbs/obama-osama.jpg)

LOL!

We should start a thread with nothing but links to Obama + Osama funny pics.

See? The pics have me more excited that some insignificant old man dying out somewhere in west bubble fuck.

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/134 "2011-05-02T15:40:08Z")

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> [@Enfant Terrible](#):
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> Nuh-uh. Let’s put that puppy up for a vote now before someone demands to see the real death certificate…
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> ;)😃

They’ll probably just have a certificate of live death…

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**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/135 "2011-05-02T15:42:12Z")

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> [@Kinthalis](#):
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> Isn’t that exactly what the masses celebrating 9/11 in that part of the world were saying?
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> “After what those Americans have done to our countries why shouldn’t we celebrate?”

Absolutely not. What, exactly, did the 3,000 people who were murdered on 9/11 do to them?  
Osama, on the other hand, actually _did_ do something real and concrete, not to mention horrifying, for which his execution is truly worth celebrating.

> [@Kinthalis](#):
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> I mean, really? We killed an old man, who is absolutely no threat to us any longer in his bed.

Yes, really. Justice is justice, and he’s now paid the price for his crimes. There’s no statute of limitations for murder. And I don’t buy that he was no longer a threat. The idea that he was sick and feeble has been blown out of proportion over the years. If nothing else, his continued freedom was great PR and a morale booster for Al Qaida.

> [@Kinthalis](#):
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> And all it costs us was several trillion dollars, the erosion of some of our own ideals and rights, thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties (but maybe they don’t count 'cause they were brown and Muslim?).

Are you referring to George’s Wacky Iraqi Adventure? Because that was never about bin Laden.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/136 "2011-05-02T15:58:36Z")

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> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> I’m asking seriously, here. What possible useful purpose would such savagery serve?

Probably about the same as decapitating Daniel Pearl.  
That is, none.

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**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/137 "2011-05-02T16:05:04Z")

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> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#):
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> It is this sort of attitude that smacks of some sort of northern European/Western cultural self perceived superiority.
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> There is no need to ration our glee.
> 
> Quit being so uptight.
> 
> I can remember when rock’n’roll was the music of the devil.

[http://www.templeofthefuture.net/current-affairs/the-tolling-bell-do-some-deserve-to-die](http://www.templeofthefuture.net/current-affairs/the-tolling-bell-do-some-deserve-to-die)

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/138 "2011-05-02T16:23:16Z")

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> [@Wheelz](#):
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> Are you referring to George’s Wacky Iraqi Adventure? Because that was never about bin Laden.

No, but Bush could never have sold the Iraq war to the American people if not for the insinuations about Iraqi involvement.

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**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/139 "2011-05-02T16:26:21Z")

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> [@Kinthalis](#):
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> I mean, really? We killed an old man, who is absolutely no threat to us any longer in his bed.

What the fuck are you talking about? The guy was 54 years old. That’s hardly ready for Depends and placement in the assisted living community.

Furthermore, his threat was never that he himself was going to parachute into DC and fight his way into the Oval Office.

Minimize the event all you want, I suppose, but you’re just way off base with these assertions.

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**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bin-laden-is-dead/580436/140 "2011-05-02T16:27:53Z")

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> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#):
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> Furthermore, his threat was never that he himself was going to parachute into DC and fight his way into the Oval Office.

Then what was his threat to us?

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