# Bing Bong, The Bitch is NOT Dead **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 4, 2006, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265 "2006-04-04T15:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/141 "2006-04-05T07:21:39Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Are you saying this thread is a vast, right wing conspiracy? How about the simpler explanation that Ms. McKinney did something stoooopid, and one of our more conservative posters called her on it? Why we can’t just simply agree that the Congresswoman was in the worng and leave it at that? I find the idea that \*\*Shodan \*\*was coaxing out the whackier element of the right wingers on this board to be just a bunch of far fetched nonsense. For fuck’s sake, dude, it was a joke. Here I hadn’t seen **New Iskander** and **Stephe96** for some time here in the pit, and then BOOM! Right after **Updike** ’s banning, here they come, trotting out like slugs after a rainshower the minute **Shodan** posts a thread laden with waaaay too much vitriol for such an incredibly minor offense. Please recalibrate your humor radar, ‘kay? I know it wasn’t brilliant wit or nuthin’, but I can’t believe you seriously thought I meant it. Give a girl some credit. To **Stephe96** I have nothing to say. I leave him to revel in the glorious mud of his well-known Kennedy obsession. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/142 "2006-04-05T09:42:30Z")
> [@dbuzman](#): > > Uppity bitch can be applied to anyone who acts like one as she seems to do. Oh, really? ‘Uppity’ has the specific connotation of not knowing and abiding by one’s (subordinate) station in life. Which is why it used to be applied to blacks and women; it could only apply to those who by virtue of their defining characteristics weren’t _supposed_ to speak out and object to the way things were done. IMNSHO, your first clause, “Uppity bitch can be applied to anyone who acts like one” is vacuously true when applied to adults. I suppose kids can technically be uppity, but I’ve never heard the term used that way. But no adult can act uppity, period. so your second clause, “as she seems to do,” is wrong. > [@](#): > > While it’s not a nice phrase, it does not automatically make Askeptic a “racist asshole”. You’re right - he could be too young to remember when women were supposed to stay in the kitchen, and blacks were supposed to know their place, and ignorant of how ‘uppity’ referred to blacks and women who _didn’t_ abide by that one-sided social contract. But this board’s all about fighting ignorance, so hopefully we’ve taken care of that now. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/143 "2006-04-05T11:43:41Z")
Well, I for one am so pleased to see the return, among the Right-leaning snivelers here, of a rush to judgment! For years, all we have heard from them is “now, now, let’s wait until the facts are all in (and until interest in the story dies down).” Why, is it a coincidence that it happens to occur when the focus is on an incident involving a Democrat (however pathetically trivial it may be)? No, I say! Otherwise, such sniveling whining pathetic hypocrisy over such an insignificant event would be worthy of labeling the lot of them cunts! That cannot be. While I’m here, I’m glad to see **John “I am not a Republican” Mace** here to jump on the topic. I haven’t checked the Tom Delay GD thread yet. I hope I will go there next to see how you have amended your original position that that was nothing more than a partisan political attack. Glad you are a paragon of unbiased nonpartisan thought! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/144 "2006-04-05T12:00:26Z")
What’s the big yank? A member of Congress does something stupid. She made a fool of herself. But who did she affect? Mostly herself. And some poor guard who was just trying to do his job. But this had zilch impact to anyone else on the planet. Let’s compare this to Delay. His corruption taints the entire political process. What goes on in Congress affects all of us, and this very rotten apple has had a profound impact on legislation over the past several years. Not to excuse McKinney for her stupidity, but her indiscretions pale in comparison to Delay. If the right wants us to think that any misdeed by any Democrat, no matter how trivial, should make us forget the very significant corruption by Republicans, then I think they’re misguided. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/145 "2006-04-05T12:17:30Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > What’s the big yank? A member of Congress does something stupid. She made a fool of herself. But who did she affect? Mostly herself. And some poor guard who was just trying to do his job. But this had zilch impact to anyone else on the planet. > > Let’s compare this to Delay. His corruption taints the entire political process. Her sins are not comparable to DeLay’s. But let’s recognize that her [overall behavior](http://www.slate.com/?id=2064530) (including paranoid conspiracy-mongering and race-baiting) _does_ have negative impact beyond herself and whatever unfortunate civil servants get in her way. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/146 "2006-04-05T12:20:49Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > MNSHO, your first clause, “Uppity bitch can be applied to anyone who acts like one” is vacuously true when applied to adults. I suppose kids can technically be uppity, but I’ve never heard the term used that way. But no adult can act uppity, period. You’ve never heard of it, therefore it can’t be true. This fallacy falls under “argument from ignorance.” Personally, I know plenty of people who use “uppity” to mean “acting better than the rest of us”, much more so than those who use it to mean “acting above one’s station.” Insisting on your own narrow definition of a word in order to cast someone else as a racist is a pretty cheap trick. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/147 "2006-04-05T12:27:09Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > What’s the big yank? A member of Congress does something stupid. She made a fool of herself. But who did she affect? Mostly herself. And some poor guard who was just trying to do his job. But this had zilch impact to anyone else on the planet. Assault and/or battery are criminal offenses, as well as obstructing an officer in the line of duty, in case anyone forgot. Criminal offenses are offenses against all of us, or so the thinking does, and more so when they are committed by those who make the laws. > [@](#): > > Let’s compare this to Delay. Please, let’s not… let’s stop doing this and never do it again. Let’s call each respective transgression a reprehensible act, completely independent of each other, and agree that the law applies equally to everyone. No ifs, ands, or "but Clinton"s. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/148 "2006-04-05T12:33:18Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > I think **Dio’s** problem is that **Shodan** made a reference to the Delay thread with this thread’s title. If he hadn’t have done that, then none of this _tu quoque_ stuff would’ve been brought up. Like hell it wouldn’t. The Usual Suspects have essentially no response to wrong-doing by any Democrat besides _tu quoque_. > [@RTFirefly](#): > > ‘Uppity’ has the specific connotation of not knowing and abiding by one’s (subordinate) station in life. Then, in this case, it is an accurate and appropriate use of the term. McKinney does not know nor abide by her station in life. She has to abide by the security rules same as everyone else. She either does not realize this, or does realize it and does not care. Plus, of course she deserves to be in a subordinate station. She’s stupid and corrupt. > [@squeegee](#): > > Are those on the right willing to distance themselves from their extremist elements like Boortz, who called McKinney a “ghetto slut”? Shodan, I hope you’ll do the right thing and call on your party to not be associated with this sort of thing. By all means. McKinney is an ugly, stupid, corrupt, anti-Semitic, racist, arrogant bitch. I have not seen evidence that she is a ghetto slut. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Well, I for one am so pleased to see the return, among the Right-leaning snivelers here, of a rush to judgment! For years, all we have heard from them is “now, now, let’s wait until the facts are all in (and until interest in the story dies down).” Why, is it a coincidence that it happens to occur when the focus is on an incident involving a Democrat (however pathetically trivial it may be)? Well, apart from the fact that this is, what, the sixth time she has ignored security rules, and that she has been convicted of the campaign fraud and admitted wrong-doing in the misuse of taxpayer money to fly Isaac Hayes around, the “rush to judgement” stuff is pretty accurate. “Accurate” in the sense of being down to your usual level of dishonest stupidity. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/149 "2006-04-05T12:36:35Z")
> [@Brain Wreck](#): > > Please, let’s not… let’s stop doing this and never do it again. Let’s call each respective transgression a reprehensible act, completely independent of each other, and agree that the law applies equally to everyone. No ifs, ands, or "but Clinton"s. Please, let’s stop pretending that this incident was brought up independently of the Tom Delay matter. This is a classic fucking Republican tactic of distraction through _tu quoque_. Otherwise, if this is merely an independent discussion of a possible criminal act brought up only because it is important to discuss all criminal behavior, I eagerly await **Shodan’s** thread on the Bush administration official recently arrested for soliciting sex with a 14 year old. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/150 "2006-04-05T12:45:24Z")
> [@Brain Wreck](#): > > Assault and/or battery are criminal offenses, as well as obstructing an officer in the line of duty, in case anyone forgot. Criminal offenses are offenses against all of us, or so the thinking does, and more so when they are committed by those who make the laws.hat the law applies equally to everyone. Oh come on. She didn’t have a prayer of hurting him. She didn’t compromise security since she was merely going to a place that she had every right to be. Stupid yes. Harmful to the republic, no. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/151 "2006-04-05T12:54:00Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Please, let’s stop pretending that this incident was brought up independently of the Tom Delay matter. This is a classic fucking Republican tactic of distraction through _tu quoque_. Actually, if you were capable of reading the thread, you would have seen that this is a classic fucking liberal tactic of distraction thru _tu quoque_, started by **askeptic** and clung to with increasing desperation by the Usual Suspects, including dishonest fat heads like yourself. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/152 "2006-04-05T13:14:34Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Has anyone in this thread said that McKinney should be forgiven? Yeah, _you_ did. And effectively, you went even further. Let’s examine, shall we? > [@](#): > > What a pathetic non-story. That’s your first post. You might remember it because it’s been commented upon several times. Once, even by yer-own-damn-self. You interpreted that plain naked remarky thusly: > [@](#): > > In my first post, I expressed an opinion that it’s a rather insignificant story but not for any reason having to do with Tom Delay. If the _story_ is insignificant, then presumably you believe McKinney’s transgressions are also. It follows then, that insignificant transgressions don’t even require forgiveness - because they’re _insignficant_. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/153 "2006-04-05T13:14:40Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Actually, if you were capable of reading the thread, you would have seen that this is a classic fucking liberal tactic of distraction thru _tu quoque_, started by **askeptic** and clung to with increasing desperation by the Usual Suspects, including dishonest fat heads like yourself. > > Regards, > Shodan **askeptic** started this thread? Damn, I wish I was capable of reading it. I’ll have to leave it to the braintrust of **Shodan** , **Stephe96** _et al._ to help me understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/154 "2006-04-05T13:32:40Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Yeah, _you_ did. And effectively, you went even further. Let’s examine, shall we? > That’s your first post. You might remember it because it’s been commented upon several times. Once, even by yer-own-damn-self. You interpreted that plain naked remarky thusly: > > If the _story_ is insignificant, then presumably you believe McKinney’s transgressions are also. It follows then, that insignificant transgressions don’t even require forgiveness - because they’re _insignficant_. Don’t be an ass. If I get a speeding ticket, that’s insignificant too. That’s not the same as saying I shouldn’t have to pay the ticket. A Comgresswoman poked a security guard with a cell phone. Whoop-de-doo. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/155 "2006-04-05T13:38:57Z")
It never ceases to amuse and amaze me when I see allegedly intelligent adults engage in high-school level sniping about “their” party, and the members thereof. See, “your” party, no matter which one it is, IS CORRUPT. Why? Because the party, no matter which one it is, is chock-a-block with POLITICIANS. Power hungry men and women with egos the size of apartment buildings squabbling and pissing over YOUR money. You can find equal amounts of corruption and graft and thievery on BOTH sides of the aisle, the trick, at least for them, is to keep US busy arguing about the little, petty, meaningless bullshit like this, so we don’t see what the fuck they’re ACTUALLY UP TO. We make mountains from molehills to point out the flaws in one anothers party, meanwhile, we’re being ass-raped at the gas pumps, taxed out of our futures, robbed of our freedoms and all because these assholes are busy being themselves. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/156 "2006-04-05T13:44:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Actually, if you were capable of reading the thread, you would have seen that this is a classic fucking liberal tactic of distraction thru _tu quoque_, started by **askeptic** and clung to with increasing desperation by the Usual Suspects, including dishonest fat heads like yourself. > > Regards, > Shodan That is fuckin rich dude. 😃😃 :wally ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/157 "2006-04-05T13:47:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Oh come on. She didn’t have a prayer of hurting him. She didn’t compromise security since she was merely going to a place that she had every right to be. Would this excuse also apply to the dimwit airline passenger who bypasses a security checkpoint? After all, he could say he has “every right” to be out at his departure gate, even if part of the terminal has to be shut down to confirm that he’s harmless? For those convinced (with good reason) that this thread is mostly a “you guys do it too” distraction from DeLay, the best response is a simple one on the order of “Yeah, she’s a real piece of work” - or ignoring it altogether. There are roughly three DeLay threads going on now, here and in GD (which is about right) and one McKinney thread - not a bad ratio. > [@Hentor](#): > > Otherwise, if this is merely an independent discussion of a possible criminal act brought up only because it is important to discuss all criminal behavior, I eagerly await Shodan’s thread on the Bush administration official recently arrested for soliciting sex with a 14 year old. If you’re emulating **Shodan** , you need to start such a thread yourself. Unfortunately a couple other people beat you to it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/158 "2006-04-05T13:49:07Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Don’t be an ass. If I get a speeding ticket, that’s insignificant too. That’s not the same as saying I shouldn’t have to pay the ticket. A Comgresswoman poked a security guard with a cell phone. Whoop-de-doo. You, like BobLibDem, are focusing on only the single most recent incident - inappropriately in my view. After all, the OP makes it quite explicit that the _pattern_ of behavior is a large part of his complaint. And that’s what makes this particular incident significant; that it is part of a larger pattern. Just like with your speeding ticket, I agree one isolated instance is probably insignificant. But collect five of 'em in a dozen years, both the BMV and your insurance company are gonna have something to say about it. Further, the fact that the Capitol Police are considering leveling charges makes it a significant event, too. _That_ happens to a member of Congress only very infrequently. So, it is also a significant story in the respect that something like that happening is so unusual. And in this aspect, it matters not at all which member of Congress is involved. Could be any one of 'em and it would still be significant. ---
**Author:** ![BabaBooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dfb087/32.png) [@BabaBooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BabaBooey)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/159 "2006-04-05T13:55:10Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Don’t be an ass. If I get a speeding ticket, that’s insignificant too. That’s not the same as saying I shouldn’t have to pay the ticket. A Comgresswoman poked a security guard with a cell phone. Whoop-de-doo. You get infuriated at [picky eaters](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5838604&postcount=10) , I don’t believe for a second that you wouldn’t be (rightfully) pissed if a republican did just the same. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/160 "2006-04-05T13:58:03Z")
> [@dbuzman](#): > > Uppity bitch can be applied to anyone who acts like one as she seems to do. While it’s not a nice phrase, it does not automatically make Askeptic a “racist asshole”. If Askeptic had said “uppity black bitch” you would have a point. And, frankly, the argument could be made that if you read that and thought he used it because she is black makes you racist as you are the one who assumed it was because of her race. Could a Mod please fix this. Its post #134. dbuzman repeatedly attributes Ashtar’s stupid phrase “Uppity Bitch” to me. I never used it, I never would use, it pisses me off that people have already started reffering to that phraze as mine. dbuzmans correction later is not enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265.md?page=9)