# Bing Bong, The Bitch is NOT Dead **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 4, 2006, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265 "2006-04-04T15:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/161 "2006-04-05T13:58:17Z")
Whoa. Thread out of hand. Anyway. Back to when I posted last, \*\*Lute Goldfish \*\* responded with incident notes which purported to show a pattern of racism on the the part of Capital Police. However, I see a serious problem with that argument. First of all, McKinney often changes her appearance, sometimes wildly. That makes it difficult to recognize her. I’ve seen some pictures of her, and aside from her (reasonably pretty but not distinctive) face, she changes her hair and wardrobe a lot. Second, the officers watching have a lot of their minds. If she comes striding by, they have seconds to look at her lapel, notice the pin is not there, then try and look at her face. Sure, they’ve probably heard of McKinney. but with 500 people to recall, it’s gonna be hard to remember one. Given that I’ve heard no similar complaints from any other black or female Congressmen, I can’t really have any sympathy for her. Aside from the fact that she’s a jerk (which I won’t get into) she goes out of her way to create a problem. Think about it: you think that security officer is going to go out of his way to piss off a Congressman? Heck no! But they are going to make absolutely _sure_ that there’s no threat. And McKinney refuses to play by the rules and safeguards which allow the security officers to do that efficiently. And when they do go that extra mile, she whack them with a cellphone. Was that some brutal beatng? No, of course not. But it is _wholly and completely_ unacceptable behavior, period. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/162 "2006-04-05T13:59:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Young whippersnapper, ain’tcha? It’s a code word from the age of civil rights riots - a condemnation by racist whites of blacks who didn’t “know their place”. Wow, I had no idea. Consider my ignorance squashed. Had I known it had that connotation, I would’ve never used it. Replace it with “arrogant” in my last post. Thanks, **ElvisL1ves** and **Maureen**. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/163 "2006-04-05T14:00:56Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Could a Mod please fix this. Its post #134. dbuzman repeatedly attributes Ashtar’s stupid phrase “Uppity Bitch” to me. I never used it, I never would use, it pisses me off that people have already started reffering to that phraze as mine. dbuzmans correction later is not enough. Now you’re just being upp . . . snooty. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/164 "2006-04-05T14:15:30Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Could a Mod please fix this. Its post #134. dbuzman repeatedly attributes Ashtar’s stupid phrase “Uppity Bitch” to me. I never used it, I never would use, it pisses me off that people have already started reffering to that phraze as mine. dbuzmans correction later is not enough. I agree that such editing is called for, and have done so. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/165 "2006-04-05T14:53:13Z")
> [@whole bean](#): > > prong? what the fuck are you talking about. the word has mulitple meanings. it’s not a mutli-part test. he’s not right. he’s wrong. and I am dumber for having read your post Don’t say that, I’d imagine you’re at a nice buoyancy with your stupidity. Is calling someone white trash racist? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/166 "2006-04-05T15:02:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Actually, if you were capable of reading the thread, you would have seen that this is a classic fucking liberal tactic of distraction thru tu quoque, started by askeptic and clung to with increasing desperation by the Usual Suspects, including dishonest fat heads like yourself. Load of shit. This entire thread exists as nothing more than a distraction from the Tom Delay thread, and I, for one, refuse to let you idiots get away with pretending otherwise. And I’m not even a fucking liberal. Yes, yes, McKinney suxxors, etc. YAWN. Delay is Satan compared to her, and I’m not about to let you forget it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/167 "2006-04-05T15:06:24Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > You, like BobLibDem, are focusing on only the single most recent incident - inappropriately in my view. After all, the OP makes it quite explicit that the _pattern_ of behavior is a large part of his complaint. And that’s what makes this particular incident significant; that it is part of a larger pattern. Just like with your speeding ticket, I agree one isolated instance is probably insignificant. But collect five of 'em in a dozen years, both the BMV and your insurance company are gonna have something to say about it. Still, it’s like comparing the kid that gets called to the principal’s office ten times in a year with a felon. I won’t defend her, but compared to Delay, she’s a piker. It would be nice if the good people of Atlanta decided to replace her, but they’re the only ones with a dog in this fight. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/168 "2006-04-05T15:29:55Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > A Comgresswoman poked a security guard with a cell phone. Whoop-de-doo. Policeman. Not a security guard. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/169 "2006-04-05T15:31:40Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I think even the literalist would accept that this phrase: “during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses” means while they are in D.C. attending the session of Congress. The question would be whether Ms. McKinney caused a breach of the peace. that would be the question, had she been arrested. she wasn’t. she still hasn’t been (but certainly might [be](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12071853/from/RL.3/). she was stopped (because they did not know she was a representative). from what I’ve heard on the local readio news (WSB) she’ll be charged with a misdemeanor. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/170 "2006-04-05T15:41:59Z")
in the spirit of all the tu qoque blcoking goign on, I offer this: Tom “Kettle” Delay calls Cynthia “Pot” McKinney [black](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/05/ap/politics/mainD8GPTLCO0.shtml) \* from the linked article > [@](#): > > Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said on Fox News Channel, a day after abandoning his reelection bid under a cloud of ethics charges. “This is incredible arrogance that sometimes hits these members of Congress, but especially Cynthia McKinney.” heh, heh . . . leave it to the bugman - please forgive the pun ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/171 "2006-04-05T15:53:09Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Still, it’s like comparing the kid that gets called to the principal’s office ten times in a year with a felon. I won’t defend her, but compared to Delay, she’s a piker. It would be nice if the good people of Atlanta decided to replace her, but they’re the only ones with a dog in this fight. I agree - to a point. And you’ll also note that I’ve not made the comparison you’re objecting to. That comparison, one which equates McKinney’s transgressions with DeLay’s, has never been _explicity_ made in this thread by anyone. It’s possible to _infer_ that an argument for equivalence from the OP, but only loosely and only by exposing one’s own biases. On the other hand, there are numerous and explicit condemnations coming from the lefties here of an idea that’s not been concretely offered. You guys are kinda puttin’ the cart afore the hoss, ain’t ya? And a side note: The more times I read that OP, the more I think the derogatory remarks about McKinney’s physical characteristics are pretty stupid - offensive even. Shodan, the topic could have far better served by leaving that crap outta there. It’s entirely pointless and detracts from a valid gripe. Including them is just as stupid as the title of Franken’s book about Limbaugh. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/172 "2006-04-05T16:09:58Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > That comparison, one which equates McKinney’s transgressions with DeLay’s, has never been _explicity_ made in this thread by anyone. It’s possible to _infer_ that an argument for equivalence from the OP, but only loosely and only by exposing one’s own biases. I don’t quite buy that. Buy the choice of the thread title, I think that equivalence was more of a matter of being implied than of us inferring it. I agree it would be nice if personal attributes like weight and appearance were kept out of the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/173 "2006-04-05T16:10:45Z")
Actually, there is a connection between Capitol security breaches, metal detectors, assaults on Capitol police and Rep. DeLay. [2 dead, 2 hurt in U.S. Capitol shooting](http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/24/dc.shooting.03/) > [@](#): > > Officials said the incident began on the ground floor of the Capitol before 4 p.m., just inside a ground-level entrance where people must walk through metal detectors… > > The shooting started after the gunman entered and magnetometer alarms went off. > The man, armed with a handgun, opened fire as he ran toward the office of Texas Republican Rep. Tom DeLay, the House Majority Whip, authorities said. > > When the man got to DeLay’s office, he allegedly got into a gunfight with a security guard there. > > …both of the policemen died later of their wounds. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/174 "2006-04-05T16:11:43Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > It’s possible to _infer_ that an argument for equivalence from the OP, but only loosely and only by exposing one’s own biases. I just don’t understand this. What do you think was **Shodan’s** motive for starting a pit thread with the name he chose? Do you think that McKinney’s egregious behavior, by itself, calls up a Wizard of Oz song if only to refute the song? Yes, she deserves the pitting ([Evil One](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=366056) has just done so). But I don’t see the OP as anything but an attempt to goad leftists into defending her, so that he can establish a false equivalence between the two cases. If he wasn’t trying to do that, he would have chosen a different title to the OP. I’m open to hearing alternate explanation for the OP’s title, but so far, none have been reasonable. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/175 "2006-04-05T16:15:25Z")
Interestingly, the editorial feature in the 4/5 edition of USA Today is entitled [“Heights of Arrogance”.](http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/front.htm) Cynthia McKinney gets second billing after Tom DeLay. From McKinney’s lambasting: \*"Security on Capitol Hill is no joke. Two Capitol Police officers were killed in 1998 when a mentally ill man opened fire at a tourist entrance. That was before 9/11 and the anthrax attacks. McKinney should stop exploiting a phony race issue and apologize for her overbearing behavior. There’s little doubt that Capitol Police will remember her in the future."\* ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/176 "2006-04-05T16:22:30Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Including them is just as stupid as the title of Franken’s book about Limbaugh. …which was intentional irony, since he lists many instances in that book of Limbaugh attacking people instead of issues. I also find it hard to believe that this thread’s title was coincidence. In fact, I don’t believe it. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/177 "2006-04-05T16:24:14Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Now you’re just being upp . . . snooty. How dare you almost call me uppity, my parents are black and they were killed on 9/11…(for those of you who don’t know, this is not true but merely a reference to the late unpleasantness involving a banned poster) See Unc, I have a sense of humor. I chuckled at that. Now had I actually been of african descent it would be a different story. Kind of like I would not get upset if you called me nigger. Not being black that word when directed at me has no impact. Get it? Those of us who objected to the word uppity were objecting to it only in the context it was used. P.S. Thanks Frank. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/178 "2006-04-05T16:38:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I just don’t understand this. You don’t understand it, because you left out the part where I said “explicitly.” The thing people are arguing against in here - the equivalence of the McKinney transgressions & the DeLay wrongdoings - has **never been made _explicitly_**. The only logical reason then for anyone offering condemnations of something that doesn’t concretely exist, is by projecting their own biases onto the actual statements made. The only actual link those persons offering condemnations actually have, is a similarity of thread titles - pretty thin, I think. Certainly not concrete or conclusive enough to justify the volume of the condemnations and accusations. There’s a bit of an issue over the timing of the thing, too, but one of the newstories linked in the OP justifies that quite well; the issue is very topical. Even McKinney herself is laboring to keep it alive and at the forefront. > [@](#): > > Yes, she deserves the pitting (Evil One has just done so). But I don’t see the OP as anything but an attempt to goad leftists into defending her, so that he can establish a false equivalence between the two cases. If he wasn’t trying to do that, he would have chosen a different title to the OP. > > I’m open to hearing alternate explanation for the OP’s title, but so far, none have been reasonable. Whatever you believe are Shodan’s motives for choosing that thread title, amkes no difference. Why? Because he hasn’t proffered the argument of equivalence that you say can be his only justification. If he’s not done that, then the inference of his accusers must be mistaken. I can think of a reason he might have used that title that has nothing to do with the DeLay thread. It’s a kinda catchy literary hook on which to hang a thread to draw in viewers, particularly so when the title is a variation of another on the same page. I see similar thread titles quite frequently; people see ideas and copy them. Ain’t so difficult to come up with another explanation. I’ve no idea whether it’s correct (and in actual fact, I think your interpretation probably is the correct one, but that judgement is lacking evidentiary support), or not, but at least we can dispassionately examine alternatives without rushing to a bias-influenced judgement. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/179 "2006-04-05T16:39:38Z")
> [@choie](#): > > For fuck’s sake, dude, it was a joke. Here I hadn’t seen **New Iskander** and **Stephe96** for some time here in the pit, and then BOOM! Right after **Updike** ’s banning, here they come, trotting out like slugs after a rainshower the minute **Shodan** posts a thread laden with waaaay too much vitriol for such an incredibly minor offense. Joke noted… my bad. In fact, I was thinking that I hadn’t seen any posts by \*\*Stephe \*\*in months, so the idea of coaxing him into this thread seemed absurd. Anyway, sorry I missed the humor angle. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265/180 "2006-04-05T17:36:12Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Am I the only one who is amazes that **whole bean** knows the number of his Congressional District? Or maybe it’s just that I live in CA (land of 10,000 Congressional districts), and none of my acquaintances knows the number of the district he or she lives in. I don’t live far from you and I knew I was in the 12th (my representative is Tom Lantos, D-Transylvania), but I did have to Google first to make sure I was right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bing-bong-the-bitch-is-not-dead/351265.md?page=10)