# BIOLOGY 101--an oral sex tale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2002, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843 "2002-03-24T10:32:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/61 "2002-03-26T18:02:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > \*\*I too would like to know why a 14 year old is in a class with 17 and 18 year olds anyway. Could she have been there for anything _other_ than nefarious purposes? If not, why did the teacher even let her in the class? > \*\* There are lots of reasons those people may have been in the same class that do not involve either predatory behavior or stupidity. When I was in the seventh grade, I was taking geometry every day at the nearby high school. When I was in 9th grade I was taking physics (generally an 11th grade glass) rather than the biology class that was standard for ninth graders. In my high school there wasn’t a specified track for science classes (though biology, chemistry, physics, biochemistry was the “standard” track). Anybody could take or not take science classes as they wished. It wasn’t uncommon for seniors to finally take biology at the same time as many freshmen. This was also true of math classes. English and history classes tended to follow a stricter sequence that kept students segregated. When I was in school, sex between underclassmen and upperclassmen was not uncommon; but that doesn’t make it acceptable. Personally, I never had any interest in girls even a grade below me; on the other hand, though, when I was in the 9th grade I had all kinds of interest in those older than me. I received my first blow job on school property and it still never occurred to me to get one in class. I was so unimaginative. ---
**Author:** ![dirty\_bird18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce7236/32.png) [@dirty\_bird18](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dirty_bird18)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2002, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/62 "2002-03-26T18:36:46Z")
14 will get ya 20 ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/63 "2002-03-27T10:16:51Z")
Point taken **obfus** , though I may need some translation on grades to years. But, if I may be presumptuous for a second (and risk all kinds of calling foul about my judgmentalism), is it likely that _this_ fourteen year old would be in a class several years above her grade level? pan ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/64 "2002-03-27T12:32:26Z")
**kabbes** If **obfusciatrist** is talking about a high school like mine, for many classes there is no “grade-level”.We chose classes each quarter from a list, and although some courses had pre-requisites, many didn’t. It was not at all uncommon for a class to contain students from each grade,and it didn’t mean that anyone was above or below grade level. It simply meant that I chose to take “Science Fiction and Fantasy” for my English class as a freshman (14 years old) , while one of my classmates chose it as a senior (17 or 18 years old). Doreen ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/65 "2002-03-27T13:29:36Z")
I was the first person who turned 18 in my senior class. I certainly didn’t give up dating my fellow classmates on my birthday. While the 14/18 spread sounds like quite a stretch, considering that some 14 year olds are in the 9th grade, and this guy was in the 11th grade, I don’t find it all that odd. There were large numbers of guys dating girls two grades (and even three) below them back then. I’m going to stick with the “more details” crowd until I can make a reasonable judgment on this one. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/66 "2002-03-27T14:55:25Z")
Well, after much searching, [this](http://www.thetowntalk.com/html/564048AF-AA0A-4826-8A98-D504276B4C28.shtml) is all I could find. the only new stuff… > [@](#): > > The alleged incident occurred in a biology class of about 30 students. A teacher was in the classroom at the time… > > School officials said the students would be punished according to School Board policy but would not elaborate on what that meant… > > The Beauregard Parish School Board is expected to discuss the teacher in an executive session at its regular meeting April 11, board member Bernice Burgess said… > > It’s unknown what the teacher was doing at the time of the alleged sexual acts, and the name of the teacher has not been released. So there was a teacher present, but doing god only knows what. As hushhush as the school board is being strikes me as a little odd. You’d think they’s love to throw a single, obvious transgressor to the media wolves. Related to this, I heard a news blurb on the radio this morning about 4 or 5 young boys (11-12) being sent to juvie for a similar act–carried out on each other, also taking place in the classroom. However, so far I haven’t been able to find any confirmation of that. Maybe it’s something in the Ritalin? 🙂 bella ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/67 "2002-03-27T15:12:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > \*\*But, if I may be presumptuous for a second (and risk all kinds of calling foul about my judgmentalism), is it likely that _this_ fourteen year old would be in a class several years above her grade level? \*\* Probably not, but then all of the really kinky women I know seem to have been smarter than average (and that first blowjob was from our eventual valedictorian). If they had reason to think they could do it without being caught, I wouldn’t be surprised by the number of people who would try it. Hell, I’ve had sex in some interesting places just because I was pretty sure we wouldn’t be caught. (Having worked for a long time in college libraries, I can tell you that there are lots of people who apparently get a thrill from the risk.) PURE SPECULATION It just occurred to me that one way they the teacher and students could have been in the room but they thought they had a chance of getting away with it is if they were watching a film, the lights were out and everybody’s attention was pretty much focused in one direction. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/68 "2002-03-27T17:20:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\* > As for the possibility she was coerced, I can not believe that any boy is stupid enough to coerce a girl in front of a teacher and 30 classmates. To find two boys that stupid is even more incredible. \*\* I have a difficult time imagining any activity so stupid, offensive, repulsive, or violent that no teenaged boy would be willing to do it, no matter who was watching. In middle and high school I was repeatedly and persistently harassed, both sexually and non-sexually, by boys “in front of a teacher and 30 classmates”. I could count on one hand the number of times a teacher attempted to do anything to stop it, and could count on _no_ hands the number of times these attempts involved anything more than “Boys, stop that and sit down.” And I was much less of a pushover than most 14 year old girls. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/69 "2002-03-27T19:39:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Related to this, I heard a news blurb on the radio this morning about 4 or 5 young boys (11-12) being sent to juvie for a similar act–carried out on each other, also taking place in the classroom. However, so far I haven’t been able to find any confirmation of that. [This article](http://www.austin360.com/auto_docs/epaper/editions/tuesday/metro_state_5.html) would probably be what you heard – a link to it was posted in shock on another board. (You need to click on the “4th Graders…” story from the list – the newspaper site apparently won’t let you link to individual stories.) ---
**Author:** ![Cerowyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@Cerowyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerowyn)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/70 "2002-03-27T20:12:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*My school years were in Southern Ontario. All the high schools had frats and sororities. Pledges were expected to do some really stupid things. \*\* Now that’s a big WHAT?!? I’ve lived in “Southern Ontario” (London, York Region and Toronto; my kids go to school in Mississauga) since 1974, and I’ve never, ever heard of fraternities or sororities in high school. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/71 "2002-03-27T22:34:52Z")
All I can say is that biology is a hell of a lot more interesting today than it was when I was in high school. Hijack reply: Kabbes, the toking is not confined to the yound Dopers. I turned 42 several months ago and I still like to wear an illegal smile. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/72 "2002-03-28T00:37:22Z")
First, lets correct the introduced error > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tenebras \* > \*\*Also, there are no fraternities in high school, that’s a college thing. > > Tenebras \*\* I took you at your word considering you more credible on American high school culture but > [@](#): > > - [http://www.paper-clip.com/student\_affairs/oct2000/student\_affairs3.htm](http://www.paper-clip.com/student_affairs/oct2000/student_affairs3.htm) \* > “We project approximately 237,000 high school students are being hazed to join a church group each year,” Hoover said. “That’s substantially higher than the number hazed to join a high school fraternity or sorority, which is approximately 155,000 each year.” Now that is just annual enlistments, and does not include other active members and alumni . Now for the other sceptic > [@](#): > > _Cerowyn_ > Now that’s a big WHAT?!? I’ve lived in “Southern Ontario” (London, York Region and Toronto; my kids go to school in Mississauga) since 1974, and I’ve never, ever heard of fraternities or sororities in high school. Well, I had some difficulty acquiring proof on the net, my high school, Niagara District Secondary School in the Niagara Falls/St Catharines area had three fraternities and one sorority. The best I could do was provide a sort of bio of one individual from Fort Erie > [@](#): > > \*[http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~london/schmitt\_house\_creations.htm](http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~london/schmitt_house_creations.htm) \* > Bill attended Garrison Rd. Public School in Fort Erie, ON and Bertie Senior Elementary School in Ridgeway, ON. Bill went on to attended Fort Erie Secondary School graduating in 1981 as a B+ student. While at FESS, Bill was a member of the Camera Club, Ski Club, Editor of the Yearbook and a member of Gamma Delta Psi Fraternity. **Monty** , America isn’t all like Utah and the LDS membership, but I’ll concede that using the term “most” instead of " 10s of millions" or “many” is not exactly supportable. What exactly is your concern here? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/73 "2002-03-28T01:12:24Z")
With regard to the pre-pubescent boys labwork in aid of their sex education, I think they’re moving too fast. You gota crawl before you walk. They’ll probably be desensitized by the experience, and never bother to participate in the customary but less exciting circle jerk when they’re a little older. I like that mother “My son was forced to…” ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/74 "2002-03-28T01:24:18Z")
Well, I’ll tell you what, it is awfully good to know that I was raped when I lost my virginity. Because, hey, I was 14… there was _no way_ I could consent, right? Oh, shit, and she was 14, too, so she couldn’t consent, either! There must have been evil space aliens _forcing_ us to have sex against our will, and we blocked it out of our memory! I don’t know what world I live in sometimes—because it doesn’t seem to be the same one others live in—, but “sex” and “youth” wasn’t exactly unheard of. In fact, it was much of what was talked about. But, hell, since I was obviously raped perhaps my fragile youth psyche has been damaged, and has turned me into some deranged person in self-denial as an adult. [note: I know several young women who _were_, in fact, molested in their youth, and one who was raped as an adult, so this post is in no way meant to be a slander on people who have had problems—you have my complete sympathy] ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/75 "2002-03-28T02:00:06Z")
**erislover** said > [@](#): > > Well, I’ll tell you what, it is awfully good to know that I was raped when I lost my virginity. Because, hey, I was 14… there was no way I could consent, right? Oh, shit, and she was 14, too, so she couldn’t consent, either! NO, you probably weren’t raped nor were you guilty of rape. YOu were both 14. Sex happens. In most states, two 14 year-olds aren’t guilty of a crime if they have sex. IANAL, but that’s my quick opinion. If they are guilty of a crime, it is a mis-demeanor. Can you not understand the difference of an 18 year-old having sex with a 14 year-old? Fortunately, the laws in most states understand the difference. ---
**Author:** ![HoldenCaulfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/22d042/32.png) [@HoldenCaulfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoldenCaulfield)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/76 "2002-03-29T05:01:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by samclem \* > \*\ ***erislover** said > > NO, you probably weren’t raped nor were you guilty of rape. > > YOu were both 14. Sex happens. In most states, two 14 year-olds aren’t guilty of a crime if they have sex. IANAL, but that’s my quick opinion. If they are guilty of a crime, it is a mis-demeanor. > > Can you not understand the difference of an 18 year-old having sex with a 14 year-old? > > Fortunately, the laws in most states understand the difference. \*\* I don’t think erislover was talking about “14-year-olds being charged with rape” so much as “14-year-olds not being mature enough to be able to give consent.” I think as far as the law go it might be a good idea to make a blanket statement equating age with maturity, but I would never make such quick judgements when it comes to morality. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/77 "2002-03-29T05:19:07Z")
If I could not legally consent to sex, and I had sex, then I was raped. I believe that is as technicaly correct as humanly possible. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/78 "2002-03-29T05:59:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*If I could not legally consent to sex, and I had sex, then I was raped. I believe that is as technicaly correct as humanly possible. \*\* IANAL, but I suspect that _in the eyes of the law_, a pair of below-the-age-of-consent persons who engage in intercourse (or other sex acts) are not considered to be having sex. I’m not prepared to say what they _are_ doing, _in the eyes of the law_, if my suspicion is correct; perhaps a lawyer could enlighten us as to how this special case plays out? ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/79 "2002-03-29T13:55:16Z")
> [@](#): > > IANAL, but I suspect that in the eyes of the law, a pair of below-the-age-of-consent persons who engage in intercourse (or other sex acts) are not considered to be having sex. I’m not prepared to say what they are doing, in the eyes of the law, if my suspicion is correct; perhaps a lawyer could enlighten us as to how this special case plays out? IANAL either, but in terms of how it’s actually treated, in the one case I know of where a 14 yo girls parents wanted the 14 yo boy arrested, they changed their minds pretty quickly when told that their daughter would also have to be arrested. It wouldn’t necessarily work this way in the case of a larger age difference- say a 15 year old and an 11 year old. Doreen ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843/80 "2002-03-29T19:01:43Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by samclem_ > In most states, two 14 year-olds aren’t guilty of a crime if they have sex. IANAL, but that’s my quick opinion. If they are guilty of a crime, it is a mis-demeanor. I once caught my 5 year old brother, (11 years my junior) under the bankets with a pair of twin girls named Kim and Kelly. They were all butt naked. I didn’t know I should have reported this to the police. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biology-101-an-oral-sex-tale/99843.md?page=5)