# Birth control, breast pumps, counseling for abuse? Are we going to do pedicures & manicures as well? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972 "2011-08-08T18:29:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/101 "2011-08-09T13:18:50Z")
You guys realize **curlcoat** is insane, right? She is a sad, broken, batshit creature who has made loathing children a center of her existance. The mere presence of children on this earth is like a personal attack on her. Each time a child is born, everytime a parent sees their newborn for the first time, every time a baby smiles, is like a barb is her shrivelled twisted heart. She is like a more patheic Cruella Deville of babies, sitting alone surrounded by her pack of dogs tearing her hair out at the thought of babies. She probably enjoys the thought of children being sickly and malnourished, and smiles at the idea of their frantic mothers in anguish over their tiny wasted bodies. Bitch is crazy. ---
**Author:** ![furlibusea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@furlibusea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furlibusea)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/102 "2011-08-09T13:44:45Z")
_ **DiosaBellissima** _: Moderator of all thing unnecessary and wasteful: Subsidizing machines to suck the teats of cows is a good use of government money but providing breast pumps for working women is a total waste. I’m pitting **DiosaBellissima** [/QUOTE] Maybe I missed it, but I don’t see anyone else pointing this out… **WOOSH** ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/103 "2011-08-09T14:10:37Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > You guys realize **curlcoat** is insane, right? She is a sad, broken, batshit creature who has made loathing children a center of her existance. The mere presence of children on this earth is like a personal attack on her. Each time a child is born, everytime a parent sees their newborn for the first time, every time a baby smiles, is like a barb is her shrivelled twisted heart. She is like a more patheic Cruella Deville of babies, sitting alone surrounded by her pack of dogs tearing her hair out at the thought of babies. She probably enjoys the thought of children being sickly and malnourished, and smiles at the idea of their frantic mothers in anguish over their tiny wasted bodies. > > Bitch is crazy. Thanks. I thought everybody knew that, but some are new here. Also worth considering when weighing her contributions to the antivax thread. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/104 "2011-08-09T15:32:26Z")
Maybe the government could spring for a vibrator for **curlcoat**. It might settle her down a bit. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/105 "2011-08-09T16:23:03Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Maybe the government could spring for a vibrator for **curlcoat**. It might settle her down a bit. Responding to the type of blatant anti woman bullshit in the OP with anti woman bullshit puts you on the level of Mrs. Rios. Unless that was intended to be ironic, in which case, whoosh to me and so forth. Speaking of Sandy Rios, it appears that she and her husband only had two children. I wonder how they managed that. 😕 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/106 "2011-08-09T16:24:44Z")
How DARE I insult ignorant bullshit with more ignorant bullshit! ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/107 "2011-08-09T16:26:37Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > How DARE I insult ignorant bullshit with more ignorant bullshit! Don’t get me wrong, I obviously agree that **curlcoat** is being ridiculous, but I’m not just not a fan of the go-to attack against women being about sex. If somebody doesn’t like a woman, she’s either frigid or a whore. Like I said, maybe the irony was intentional, in which case I shall accept my whoosh with pride. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/108 "2011-08-09T17:36:06Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Responding to the type of blatant anti woman bullshit in the OP with anti woman bullshit puts you on the level of Mrs. Rios. > > Unless that was intended to be ironic, in which case, whoosh to me and so forth. > > Speaking of Sandy Rios, it appears that she and her husband only had two children. I wonder how they managed that. 😕 😉 Science has found the cause. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/109 "2011-08-09T18:58:16Z")
Is the piece of shit in the OP the same as [the guy in this video](http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108080026)I found on today’s [Pundit Kitchen](http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/)? What is WRONG with him/them? Were they raised by howler monkeys or something? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/110 "2011-08-09T19:13:41Z")
I’m still trying to figure out what the hell the Federal Debt has to do with insurance co-pays. Are United Healthcare and Blue Cross now financing the Federal Government? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/111 "2011-08-09T19:30:04Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > \ > > Speaking of Sandy Rios, it appears that she and her husband only had two children. I wonder how they managed that. 😕 😉 Her husband has had a headache for the last 15 years. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/112 "2011-08-09T19:33:49Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Don’t get me wrong, I obviously agree that **curlcoat** is being ridiculous, but I’m not just not a fan of the go-to attack against women being about sex. If somebody doesn’t like a woman, she’s either frigid or a whore. > > Like I said, maybe the irony was intentional, in which case I shall accept my whoosh with pride. 😃 Masturbating women are considered whores? News to me. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/113 "2011-08-09T19:49:09Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Speaking of Sandy Rios, it appears that she and her husband only had two children. I wonder how they managed that. 😕 😉 Tiny, tiny, dick. His is small also. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/114 "2011-08-09T20:00:06Z")
Actually, I think people are over-stating how horrible formula is: it’s certainly not ideal, but it’s not “shit” and women who have to use formula (including adoptive mothers, those with low supply, and people who live lifestyles where it really is not feasible) are not dooming their children to a substandard life. The long-term impacts of formula vs breastmilk are simply not that clear cut. There’s no need to be hyperbolic (and, frankly, hurtful and alarmist to those women who really could not breastfeed) in response to idiocy. You don’t have to make formula feeding tantamount to child abuse in response to Curlcoat’s own vehemence. However, if the point of this bill is to reduce health care costs, the one thing we do absolutely know breast milk is better at is providing antibodies that reduce the number of infections in those first six-twelve months. Those diseases lead to costly ER trips and doctor’s visits. So I think it’s a very good law. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/115 "2011-08-09T21:02:30Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > … The minute the pharmacist hands us those pills, we’re going to fuck him, the cashier, and everyone in line at the store… Promise? Um, which pharmacy are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/116 "2011-08-09T21:10:46Z")
Same one I go to, I bet. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/117 "2011-08-09T21:24:36Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Masturbating women are considered whores? News to me. You’re right, there isn’t a historical precedent of calling bossy, loud mouthed, or otherwise opinionated women [“hysterical.”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria) ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/118 "2011-08-09T21:38:20Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Is the piece of shit in the OP the same as [the guy in this video](http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108080026)I found on today’s [Pundit Kitchen](http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/)? > > What is WRONG with him/them? Were they raised by howler monkeys or something? Holy shit that was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/119 "2011-08-09T21:42:30Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > Actually, I think people are over-stating how horrible formula is: it’s certainly not ideal, but it’s not “shit” and women who have to use formula (including adoptive mothers, those with low supply, and people who live lifestyles where it really is not feasible) are not dooming their children to a substandard life. The long-term impacts of formula vs breastmilk are simply not that clear cut. There’s no need to be hyperbolic (and, frankly, hurtful and alarmist to those women who really could not breastfeed) in response to idiocy. You don’t have to make formula feeding tantamount to child abuse in response to Curlcoat’s own vehemence. > > However, if the point of this bill is to reduce health care costs, the one thing we do absolutely know breast milk is better at is providing antibodies that reduce the number of infections in those first six-twelve months. Those diseases lead to costly ER trips and doctor’s visits. So I think it’s a very good law. As someone who is supplementing with formula once a day or so because of issues with milk supply, believe me I totally understand this point of view. It was not my intent under any circumstances to be hurtful to those who choose formula for whatever reasons. However the benefits of breast milk are really not under dispute. Formula is not going to kill a baby. Unfortunately it does increase potential health short term and long term health risks. Even more unfortunately \*\*Curlcoat’s \*\*POV on breast milk is shared by a significant percentage of the population. I nursed my first child for two years. At every turn I was repeatedly confronted with people asking me to stop after a short time including several close relatives and a few friends. We need to do what we can to make it easier to nurse or pump milk for babies. That’s all I meant to imply. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/120 "2011-08-10T00:13:16Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > Yeah, apothecary based orgies are getting to be a real nuisance here in Europe. No wonder my husband is so keen to get me refills on my lactase pills\* when we are in Denmark. And here I thought it was because he didn’t like the smell of my farts. > [@OneMissedPost](#): > > Yeah, what exactly is wrong with birth control? :rolleyes: I’m personally glad my girlfriend uses birth control. If I were you I would be suspicious. She’s clearly up to no good. 😃 > [@LavenderBlue](#): > > I nursed my first child for two years. At every turn I was repeatedly confronted with people asking me to stop after a short time including several close relatives and a few friends. My child was almost two when she decided “no more boobies!”. I cannot say for sure that this is the only factor, but my child has been to the doctor (other than regular checkups) exactly _once_ in her 6 years. She had a sore throat about a year ago. I had to pump the first two weeks due to extreme overproduction and resulting mastitis. It was painful and uncomfortable. I had to wear diapers in my already-big bras, and I would do it all over again. That pump was worth _every penny_ of the $200 it cost me. And yes, like you I met too many busybodies that found it urgently necessary to vocally disapprove of my choice. - I am lactose intolerant and Danish diet is heavy on diary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972.md?page=7)