# Birth control, breast pumps, counseling for abuse? Are we going to do pedicures & manicures as well? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972 "2011-08-08T18:29:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/121 "2011-08-10T00:19:11Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > You’re right, there isn’t a historical precedent of calling bossy, loud mouthed, or otherwise opinionated women [“hysterical.”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria) That was a hundred years ago. Don’t get the vapors. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/122 "2011-08-10T00:57:26Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > That was a hundred years ago. Don’t get the vapors. I know you think you’re funny, but coming into a thread about blatant misogyny and making sexist jokes isn’t nearly as clever as you may believe. It’s not exactly subversive to uphold the status quo, and your jokes aren’t funny regardless. I don’t think anyone particularly cares that you are making yourself look like a dipshit; I’m certainly not staying up nights over it, and I doubt **Diosa** is either, but I thought I’d let you know. You look pretty foolish. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/123 "2011-08-10T00:58:58Z")
So, lots of Republicans object to public acceptance of homosexuality because they think everyone will turn gay if we make it okay. This suggests that they are closeted gays. Sandy Rios thinks women will start fucking everyone in sight once they get free birth control. I wonder if it’s because she’s a closeted slut. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/124 "2011-08-10T01:04:34Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > I know you think you’re funny, but coming into a thread about blatant misogyny and making sexist jokes isn’t nearly as clever as you may believe. It’s not exactly subversive to uphold the status quo, and your jokes aren’t funny regardless. I don’t think anyone particularly cares that you are making yourself look like a dipshit; I’m certainly not staying up nights over it, and I doubt **Diosa** is either, but I thought I’d let you know. You look pretty foolish. You’re overreacting. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/125 "2011-08-10T01:06:56Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > You’re overreacting. LOL, I’m overreacting! ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/126 "2011-08-10T01:29:42Z")
Ironic thread is ironic. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/127 "2011-08-10T02:26:36Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > **Curlcoat** ,Please just shut the fuck up about anything related to breastfeeding. Any time this topic comes up, you sound like a boob fearing ignoramus. Snipping the rest of your rant because it has close to zero to do with anything I said, and I don’t really care anyway. Just going to say that I don’t remember ever saying anything about breastfeeding prior to this. Oh, and excuse me all to hell for asking a question on a board dedicated to fighting ignorance. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You pretty much don’t have any fucking idea what you’re talking about. Formula is shit, and it’s fucking _expensive_. There was a period where breast feeding was pathologized because people were fucking retarded. There is no comparuson between breastfeeding and formula (and they can’t drink cow milk for the first year, you fucking dunce. Educate yourself). > > (ETA above was addressed to **curlcoat** , not **LavenderBlue** ). You too. What is it with some folks who cannot possibly stay on point, but have to trot out some sort of personal rant? > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > You were doing OK and then that. WTF? You can raise tomatoes on a hothouse, pick them while they are still green, gas them so they will look good in the store but they may taste like shit because that’s not the best way to grow tomatoes. > > Or, you can grow then properly and enjoy. > > Yes, you can raise a kid on formula and It might work out but breast milk is far superior. Why not promote the use of it instead of making it a big hassle? It’s a simple, cheap way of addressing a problem. It’s good for the child, it’s good for the mother. Look at the cost of formula. It’s cheap and simple to pollute the rivers, that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t absorb the cost of keeping them clean. I’ll give you a pass because you have been polite. I personally do not care what anyone feeds their kids, my _only_ point was that they do not _have_ to be breastfed. If you think anything else, it must be from reading what **Diogenes the Cynic** said in response to my post - he was way out in left field and I still don’t know what his point/issue/argument is. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/128 "2011-08-10T02:41:51Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > I don’t understand what your problem is with breastfeeding. One more time - I have no opinion on it, other than I really don’t want to see it in public (perhaps that is what **LavenderBlue** is on about, tho I don’t remember that being discussed in the Pit. Shrug). > [@](#): > > I am all for a woman choosing what is best for herself and her baby, but it’s silly to try to deny that formula comes anywhere near as close to breastmilk. Which, of course, I did not say. I asked a simple question - why are pumps needed - and **Diogenes the Cynic** lost his shit all over it. He seems to do that a lot. At the time, I thought the OP was about the government giving out free pumps, because the group complaining was going on about the debit. > [@Girl\_From\_Mars](#): > > Do you really want to know? I got given [one of these](http://www.dhub.org/object/360388) by my mother as a joke baby shower gift… Ick. However, that appears to be after the time frame I have (small) personal experience with. My mother had my last two brothers in the 60’s. > [@even\_sven](#): > > You guys realize **curlcoat** is insane, right? She is a sad, broken, batshit creature who has made loathing children a center of her existance. The mere presence of children on this earth is like a personal attack on her. Each time a child is born, everytime a parent sees their newborn for the first time, every time a baby smiles, is like a barb is her shrivelled twisted heart. She is like a more patheic Cruella Deville of babies, sitting alone surrounded by her pack of dogs tearing her hair out at the thought of babies. She probably enjoys the thought of children being sickly and malnourished, and smiles at the idea of their frantic mothers in anguish over their tiny wasted bodies. > > Bitch is crazy. Wow. Speaking of crazy - anyone who could imagine shit like that is not rowing with both oars. Pathetic. > [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Responding to the type of blatant anti woman bullshit in the OP with anti woman bullshit puts you on the level of Mrs. Rios. > > Unless that was intended to be ironic, in which case, whoosh to me and so forth No, he is of the opinion that there is something wrong with me, and that it could be “fixed” with sex. Which I find ironic but I don’t think he intended it to be that way. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/129 "2011-08-10T02:48:17Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I’m still trying to figure out what the hell the Federal Debt has to do with insurance co-pays. Are United Healthcare and Blue Cross now financing the Federal Government? Maybe they will answer you - apparently they are more interested in making a big deal out of my one question about pumps than my question about why Family PAC was on about the debt. > [@MandaJo](#): > > Actually, I think people are over-stating how horrible formula is: it’s certainly not ideal, but it’s not “shit” and women who have to use formula (including adoptive mothers, those with low supply, and people who live lifestyles where it really is not feasible) are not dooming their children to a substandard life. The long-term impacts of formula vs breastmilk are simply not that clear cut. There’s no need to be hyperbolic (and, frankly, hurtful and alarmist to those women who really could not breastfeed) in response to idiocy. You don’t have to make formula feeding tantamount to child abuse in response to Curlcoat’s own vehemence. WHAT vehemence? JFC, I asked a question. Period. All of the vehemence is coming from elsewhere, beginning with **Dio** ’s way over the top initial response. > [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Even more unfortunately \*\*Curlcoat’s \*\*POV on breast milk is shared by a significant percentage of the population. Interesting, since I _have_ no point of view on breast milk. All I said was a baby didn’t have to be breastfed, which is what **Manda JO** just said above - you gonna jump on her shit too? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/130 "2011-08-10T04:45:06Z")
Saying that “babies don’t have to breastfed” is a vapid and sophist statement. You can live on bread and water. That doesn’t mean it’s wise. Why should babies have to compromise their health, immunity and emotional happiness if they don’t have to? ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/131 "2011-08-10T04:58:47Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Ick. That says enough. If “Ick” is the reaction to a manual breast pump then it tells us that your psychosis is very real. Get some help because you have very issues that should be dealt with. Breasts and breast pumps are not “Ick”. They don’t have to be flaunted but they are not “Ick”. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/132 "2011-08-10T05:05:54Z")
And who cares if they ARE flaunted. There is nothing remotely offensive or objectionable about them. ---
**Author:** ![OneMissedPost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e7dd6/32.png) [@OneMissedPost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneMissedPost)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/133 "2011-08-10T05:20:13Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > If I were you I would be suspicious. She’s clearly up to no good. 😃 HAHA And who says that’s bad? \*\*Kidding… Kidding… \*\* 😛 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/134 "2011-08-10T06:34:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Saying that “babies don’t have to breastfed” is a vapid and sophist statement. You can live on bread and water. That doesn’t mean it’s wise. Why should babies have to compromise their health, immunity and emotional happiness if they don’t have to? Is this aimed at me or at **Manda JO**? (Do you ever post without exaggerating like that?) > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > That says enough. If “Ick” is the reaction to a manual breast pump then it tells us that your psychosis is very real. Get some help because you have very issues that should be dealt with. This makes zero sense. Are you saying that anytime someone thinks something is ick, they must have a psychosis? Or is it only when that person says ick about something you like or are neutral about? Gosh, I’m so sorry I don’t like everything you do - no wait, I’m not. ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/135 "2011-08-10T07:08:22Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Don’t get me wrong, I obviously agree that **curlcoat** is being ridiculous, but I’m not just not a fan of the go-to attack against women being about sex. If somebody doesn’t like a woman, she’s either frigid or a whore. > > Like I said, maybe the irony was intentional, in which case I shall accept my whoosh with pride. 😃 Wait, seriously? “X Person needs to masturbate/get laid more” is one of the few sexual insults that works just as well for either gender. It’s not an insult I’ve ever used, but I’m not sure I’m seeing your objection. ---
**Author:** ![cards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecd19e/32.png) [@cards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cards)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/136 "2011-08-10T10:45:00Z")
OK, off topic from breast feeding… I wonder how dear Sandy feels about the fact that most health care plans support Viagra? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/137 "2011-08-10T11:54:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Obvious troll is obvious. You’re supposed to use your user control panel to create your .sigline, not manually write it into your post. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/138 "2011-08-10T12:49:10Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > It’s pretty hard to squeeze blood out of a turnip. Maybe with one of those free breast pumps… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/139 "2011-08-10T16:49:50Z")
As if vegan vampires didn’t have enough problems. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972/140 "2011-08-10T16:59:45Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > One more time - I have no opinion on it, other than I really don’t want to see it in public … … and that’s why, to answer your question, women need breast pumps. If she has the audacity to go out in public with her child (let’s say, oh, I dunno, they need _food from the friggin’ grocery store_ and the baby needs to be fed, she can bottle-feed it the pumped milk instead of offending your delicate sensibilities by breast-feeding. Make sense? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birth-control-breast-pumps-counseling-for-abuse-are-we-going-to-do-pedicures-manicures-as-well/591972.md?page=8)