# Birther removes his mask.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [February 24, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870 "2012-02-24T20:10:43Z")\
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**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/1 "2012-02-24T20:10:43Z")

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Or maybe I should say puts on his white hood.

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> Suit Says Obama Can’t Run In Alaska Because He’s Of The “Mulatto” Race

> **[Suit Says Obama Can’t Run In Alaska Because He’s of the “Mulatto” Race](https://www.enewspf.com/latest-national-news/suit-says-obama-cant-run-in-alaska-because-hes-of-the-mulatto-race/)**
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> Alaska-(ENEWSPF)- A man from Juneau, Alaska, has filed suit with the state’s Division of Elections to bar President Obama from appearing on that state’s ballot on the basis that the President is a "Mulatto", and "the race of ‘Negro‘ or ‘Mulatto‘ had...

The PDF of the filing shows that the suit brings up the usual nonsense about birth certificates, establishing Mr Epperly’s bona fides as a birther. But it goes further.  
[http://www.turningleft.net/images/director-for-the-division-of-elections.pdf](http://www.turningleft.net/images/director-for-the-division-of-elections.pdf)

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> **Barack Hussein Obama II is not a _“natural born Citizen”_ of the United States**
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> As stated above, for an individual to be a Candidate for the Office of President ot the United States, the Candidate must meet the qualifications as set forth in the United States Constitution and one of those qualifications is that the Candidate shall be a _“natural born Citizen”_ of the United States. As Barack Hussein Obama II is of the _“Mulatto”_ race, his status of citizenship is founded upon the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of _“Negro”_ or _“Mulatto”_ had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution.
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> As the Fourteenth Amendment is only a grand of _“Civil Rights”_ and not a grant of _“Political Rights,”_ Barack Hussein Obama II does not have any _“Political Rights”_ under any provision of the United States Constitution to hold any Public Office of the United States government. Furthermore, there is considerable debate within the enclosed supporting documents that shows Barack Hussein Obama II was not born on the soil of the United States and that he was not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of hist birth.

Seriously, how can these people be for real? “Mulatto race”? Seriously?

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**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/2 "2012-02-24T20:22:49Z")

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Wow. A Birther finally comes out and admits that yes, he IS a racist ass.

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**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/3 "2012-02-24T20:51:59Z")

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_zoinks_

Consider my mind thoroughly boggled.

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**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/4 "2012-02-24T21:02:23Z")

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AHHHAAAAA! I knew it.

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/5 "2012-02-24T21:11:42Z")

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I’m shocked that the thing we always knew was true turned out to be true.  
You know- I think I need a minute here.

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**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/6 "2012-02-24T21:33:30Z")

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I believe the judge’s ruling will read something like this:

“What the fuck? Case dismissed.”

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**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/7 "2012-02-24T22:18:23Z")

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I suppose it’s at least refreshing to see one of them finally show his true colours.

Google the guy’s name and you’ll end up smack dab in the middle of downtown Whackville. He wrote [this document (.pdf)](http://www.natural-person.ca/pdf/Memorandum_of_Law_on_the_Name.pdf) proving that the gummint is deceiving us by printing proper names in all caps in legal and legislative documents, and therefore (very last sentence), “The only courts today are statutory commercial tribunals collecting tribute (plunder) from the alleged Creditors who think they have conquered the country on their way to ruling the world.”

The pdf file says it was written anonymously, but [the page it is linked from](http://www.natural-person.ca/capital.html) says “by Gordon Warren Epperley and Lightbringer - we have been told”. Since it doesn’t read GORDON WARREN EPPERLEY, it must be true.

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**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/8 "2012-02-24T22:27:23Z")

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> [@Esox\_Lucius](#):
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> The pdf file says it was written anonymously, but [the page it is linked from](http://www.natural-person.ca/capital.html) says “by Gordon Warren Epperley and Lightbringer - we have been told”. Since it doesn’t read GORDON WARREN EPPERLEY, it must be true.

Lightbringer? why not just say Lucifer, and be done with it?

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/9 "2012-02-24T22:48:30Z")

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> Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of “Negro” or “Mulatto” had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution.

Sad part is, dude’s probably right about that. If there had been no Civil War amendments, and the _Dred Scott_ decision had been allowed to stand . . .

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**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/10 "2012-02-24T23:10:02Z")

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I like that it mentions the “purported” ratification of the fourteenth amendment. Does he detail why it was only purportedly ratified? I thought those kinds of arguments were usually reserved for the sixteenth amendment.

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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/11 "2012-02-24T23:11:55Z")

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As crazy as the Birthers are, this example of one being deranged whacko racist crazy is not evidence that all of “these people” are racist. And we need no additional evidence to be able to call them deranged whacko crazy.

Sure the racists will often be Birthers, but you really can be a deranged whacko without being a racist as well.

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**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/12 "2012-02-24T23:26:32Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> As crazy as the Birthers are, this example of one being deranged whacko racist crazy is not evidence that all of “these people” are racist. And we need no additional evidence to be able to call them deranged whacko crazy.
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> Sure the racists will often be Birthers, but you really can be a deranged whacko without being a racist as well.

John Cain was born in Panama, under legal loopholes that had to be fixed via legislation so he would be a citizen. Obama was born inside the goddamn USA, so why weren’t the birthers howling in rage about McCain?

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**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/13 "2012-02-24T23:40:03Z")

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> [@chorpler](#):
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> I like that it mentions the “purported” ratification of the fourteenth amendment. Does he detail why it was only purportedly ratified? I thought those kinds of arguments were usually reserved for the sixteenth amendment.

I think ‘purported’ because the states that had seceded didn’t ratify and weren’t counted to determine what number was needed for 3/4?

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**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/14 "2012-02-24T23:42:53Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> As crazy as the Birthers are, this example of one being deranged whacko racist crazy is not evidence that all of “these people” are racist. And we need no additional evidence to be able to call them deranged whacko crazy.
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> Sure the racists will often be Birthers, but you really can be a deranged whacko without being a racist as well.

I would agree in general, but not in this particular. Birtherism is inherently racist, a reaction against the “Other”. This whacko is overt about the racism rather than covert, but reading birther commentary shows that this is part of a continuum rather than an exception.

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**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/15 "2012-02-24T23:53:33Z")

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If nutjobs who file nuisance suits could/would be slapped with fines for contempt, maybe they’d fucking _stop_.

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**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/16 "2012-02-24T23:59:02Z")

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> [@rachelellogram](#):
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> If nutjobs who file nuisance suits could/would be slapped with fines for contempt, maybe they’d fucking _stop_.

I doubt it. A federal judge hit Orly Taitz with a $20,000 fine for misconduct about two years ago and she’s still going strong.

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**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/17 "2012-02-25T00:04:37Z")

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> [@Folacin](#):
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> I think ‘purported’ because the states that had seceded didn’t ratify and weren’t counted to determine what number was needed for 3/4?

Those states were required by the Reconstruction Acts to (among other things) ratify the Fourteenth Amendment to resume full representation in Congress. Some do not view the Reconstruction Acts as constitutional.

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/18 "2012-02-25T00:06:42Z")

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Plus, Ohio and New Jersey passed the amendment, then tried to rescind their ratifications.

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**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/19 "2012-02-25T00:06:49Z")

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> [@grude](#):
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> John Cain was born in Panama, under legal loopholes that had to be fixed via legislation so he would be a citizen. Obama was born inside the goddamn USA, so why weren’t the birthers howling in rage about McCain?

Who’s John Cain? 😉

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**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\
**Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-removes-his-mask/613870/20 "2012-02-25T00:07:08Z")

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> [@Esox\_Lucius](#):
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> I suppose it’s at least refreshing to see one of them finally show his true colours.
> 
> Google the guy’s name and you’ll end up smack dab in the middle of downtown Whackville. He wrote [this document (.pdf)](http://www.natural-person.ca/pdf/Memorandum_of_Law_on_the_Name.pdf) proving that the gummint is deceiving us by printing proper names in all caps in legal and legislative documents, and therefore (very last sentence), “The only courts today are statutory commercial tribunals collecting tribute (plunder) from the alleged Creditors who think they have conquered the country on their way to ruling the world.”
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> The pdf file says it was written anonymously, but [the page it is linked from](http://www.natural-person.ca/capital.html) says “by Gordon Warren Epperley and Lightbringer - we have been told”. Since it doesn’t read GORDON WARREN EPPERLEY, it must be true.

Does he mention anything about a gold fringe?

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