# Birther U.S. Army officer to be court-martialed **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 15, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157 "2010-04-15T02:33:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/1 "2010-04-15T02:33:21Z")
Is there no end to this idiocy? The guy’s risking his career over this: [http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/14/army-to-court-martial-officer-who-doubts-obama-was-born-in-u-s/](http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/14/army-to-court-martial-officer-who-doubts-obama-was-born-in-u-s/). Would he feel better if Joe Biden signed his orders? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/2 "2010-04-15T02:37:15Z")
Ouch. He’s got 18 years in. Throwing away a very nice retirement with health insurance for life, over bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/3 "2010-04-15T02:45:28Z")
Expect this nimrod to be annointed a hero on Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/4 "2010-04-15T02:54:40Z")
The picture made me wonder “When did Mr. Roper join the army?” Dude- the CJ of the SCotUS swore him in- he’s president. Period. EVEN IF strong evidence including video came to light that he was born to a Soviet she-spy who went into labor while dancing around Mecca or if overwhelming evidence that he was in negotiations to trade five unchaperoned minutes in the Smithsonian to Colombia in exchange for lifetime mountains of blow, UNTIL such time as said allegations are proven and he is removed he is your commander-in-chief. The birth certificate moronia has been disproven a thousand times- his birth announcement is in Hawaiian newspapers even- and if it’s your hunch that they’re false then I hope they drum him the hell out like they’re filming a remake of _[Branded](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlUS5-ag_g)_./ ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/5 "2010-04-15T02:56:01Z")
He’s not the only one, apparently just the most vocal. [AP Story](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ih1eMNncbEYxdD12gOe6NDsgqelgD9F3300G1): > [@](#): > > A court-martial is only one of the punishment options, and among the handful of other known birthers in the military, some have merely received administrative reprimands. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/6 "2010-04-15T03:42:15Z")
No Human organization is without it’s nutbags. I firmly believe that, given a reasonable sized group of people - and the US Military is certainly that - that you can find at least 2% who will believe any wildassed proposition you care to make. We just don’t hear of the people who are courtmartialed or drummed out of the service for other “this guy is fucking insane” reasons. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/7 "2010-04-15T03:53:24Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > No Human organization is without it’s nutbags. I firmly believe that, given a reasonable sized group of people - and the US Military is certainly that - that you can find at least 2% who will believe any wildassed proposition you care to make. We just don’t hear of the people who are courtmartialed or drummed out of the service for other “this guy is fucking insane” reasons. Yeah, but when a nutbag reaches the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, you have to wonder if something is wrong with the screening process. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/8 "2010-04-15T04:40:51Z")
What is up with Army doctors? I believe one of the other birthers was also an MD, as was the Ft. Hood assasin. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/9 "2010-04-15T04:45:40Z")
Agree that this birther is a moron, but what’s the debate here? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/10 "2010-04-15T04:51:23Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Agree that this birther is a moron, but what’s the debate here? He was likely anticipating a debate from birthers arguing that the guy mentioned in the OP’s got a valid point. There aren’t any birthers here, however (I hope). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/11 "2010-04-15T05:28:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Agree that this birther is a moron, but what’s the debate here? Resolved: We are all so much better than the Birthers. which leads to the debate: Resolved: If you’re better than a Birther, does that really mean anything? ---
**Author:** ![Danimal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Danimal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danimal)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/12 "2010-04-15T05:41:23Z")
Well, the issue with this guy is not that he’s a birther, but that he disobeyed a direct order. Court-martial him and cashier him. Lots of high officers believe very weird things. General George Patton, one of the greatest officers the U.S. Army ever had, believed in reincarnation, for Pete’s sake. Blucher thought he was pregnant with an elephant, and he still kicked Napoleon’s ass at Waterloo. Let the officers believe absurdities, so long as their performance is good and they don’t infringe military discipline. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/13 "2010-04-15T05:43:26Z")
Well the thing is that the Birther movement is funded by Israel. As you recall, one of its main supporters was Orly Taitz, an Israeli lawyer. Up until now, the Zionist organizations have been able to maintain control over the government even though most leaders are Anglo-Saxon, but that was thanks to hundreds of years of slow infiltration of the system. They have been able to find certain families that are willing to cooperate with them, and they use their influence to get said families re-instated with each new generation. Not to mention their control over banks and much of the military-industrial complex. As a second generation American and black man, Barack Obama has been able to rise to the Presidency free of this influence. If you listen to his speeches, you will find many instances where he as much states his intentions to break down the roots of this Zionist system and cast it out of our government. Discrediting his birth is just one of many of the visible battles between our President and this insidious organization. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/14 "2010-04-15T05:43:52Z")
> [@Danimal](#): > > Well, the issue with this guy is not that he’s a birther, but that he disobeyed a direct order. Court-martial him and cashier him. > > Lots of high officers believe very weird things. General George Patton, one of the greatest officers the U.S. Army ever had, believed in reincarnation, for Pete’s sake. No shit? Good thing soldiers don’t believe in funny supernatural stuff anymo- oh, wait. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/15 "2010-04-15T05:56:57Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Well the thing is that the Birther movement is funded by Israel. As you recall, one of its main supporters was Orly Taitz, an Israeli lawyer. > > [snip] > > Discrediting his birth is just one of many of the visible battles between our President and this insidious organization. Wow. That almost sounds believable. Keep the tin foil hat brigade away from this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/16 "2010-04-15T05:58:48Z")
> [@Sage Rat](#): > > Well the thing is that the Birther movement is funded by Israel. As you recall, one of its main supporters was Orly Taitz, an Israeli lawyer. This is a whoosh, right? Apparently I’ve been experiencing SOHF in some other threads today so I don’t want to jump to conclusions here. I mean, I know that Taitz is Israeli but I don’t see how we get from that to the claim that the Birther movement is **funded** by Israel, except in whoosh mode. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/17 "2010-04-15T06:05:04Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > This is a whoosh, right? Apparently I’ve been experiencing SOHF in some other threads today so I don’t want to jump to conclusions here. I’m more devious than crazy. 😃 If anyone can come up with some more stuff to flesh out the idea, I’d love to make some anti-Zionist’s heads explode (seeing as the same group is likely anti-Obama). ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/18 "2010-04-15T06:12:48Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m more devious than crazy. 😃 > > If anyone can come up with some more stuff to flesh out the idea, I’d love to make some anti-Zionist’s heads explode (seeing as the same group is likely anti-Obama). I love Orly. i c what u did thar ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/19 "2010-04-15T06:16:56Z")
> [@Sage Rat](#): > > If anyone can come up with some more stuff to flesh out the idea, I’d love to make some anti-Zionist’s heads explode (seeing as the same group is likely anti-Obama). Oh, okay. Did you see [this Andy Borowitz column](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obama-gives-hanukkah-wish_b_389108.html)? > [@](#): > > Orly Taitz, a leading Birther spokesperson, told CNN today that she had in her possession a birth certificate for Mr. Obama that was issued in Tel Aviv. > > “If you look at the birth certificate, you will see the name he was born with, Baruch Obama,” she said. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157/20 "2010-04-15T06:18:28Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Oh, okay. Did you see [this Andy Borowitz column](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obama-gives-hanukkah-wish_b_389108.html)? How clever of them. No one would expect them to implicate themselves. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/birther-u-s-army-officer-to-be-court-martialed/536157.md?page=2)