# Bishop vs trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 24, 2025, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350 "2025-01-24T21:14:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/1 "2025-01-24T21:14:11Z")
> **['I Am Not Going to Apologize': Bishop Who Confronted Trump Speaks Out](https://time.com/7209222/bishop-mariann-budde-trump/)** > > In an interview with TIME, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde discussed her sermon, which has drawn death threats and prompted Trump to demand an apology _As Trump sat in the first pew of the National Cathedral on Tuesday during a traditional prayer service, Bishop Budde asked Trump “to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now.” Trump glared and shifted uncomfortably as she spoke. …“There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives.”_ But then the reaction- _In a post on Truth Social, Trump called the Episcopal Bishop of Washington, Mariann Edgar Budde, a “Radical Left hard line Trump hater” who is “not very good at her job.” He said she “brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way” and demanded an apology._ ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/2 "2025-01-24T21:15:46Z")
Yeah, he called her “nasty”, which is one of his go-to insults for women. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/3 "2025-01-24T21:22:46Z")
In before ‘She has blood coming out of her wherever.’ Her hands and feet, stigmata, what did you think Trump meant? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/4 "2025-01-24T21:28:34Z")
His buddies (ha!) have joined in of course: " **Sen. Bernie Moreno** (R-Ohio), who campaigned heavily against transgender athletes last year, called Budde a “woke Bishop” [in a post](https://x.com/berniemoreno/status/1881773733662376348) on the social platform X." " **Rep. Mike Collins** (R-Ga.) [said Budde](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5098959-gop-member-wants-bishop-added-to-deportation-list-after-trump-prayer-service/), born in New Jersey, “should be added to the deportation list.”" “Fox News’s **Sean Hannity** said Budde, whom he described as a “so-called bishop,” “made the service about her very own deranged political beliefs with a disgraceful prayer full of fearmongering and division.”” " **Matt Walsh** of The Daily Wire, a conservative media company, said Budde is a “fake bishop” and mocked her appearance. " " “Who knew Satan wore granny glasses and stole his haircut from John Denver?” [Fox News personality](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5103292-foxs-gutfeld-rips-trump-prayer-service-bishop-who-knew-satan-wore-granny-glasses/) **Greg Gutfeld** said." ([Source](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5103756-trump-denounces-bishop-budde-mercy-plea/)) Also, Speaker **Mike Johnson** : " “Bishop Budde hijacked the National Prayer Service to promote her radical ideology,” posted Johnson, a hard-right lawmaker known for [embracing Christian nationalism](https://www.rawstory.com/mike-johnson-2670757280/). “This was an opportunity to unify the country in prayer, but she used it to sow division. Even worse, she’s continued her political crusade in media interviews. Shameful.”" ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/5 "2025-01-24T21:46:08Z")
I didn’t read the entire content of her sermon, but from what was posted I fully agree with her. The forum she chose for such a lecture is questionable in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/6 "2025-01-24T21:46:30Z")
> **[https://preview.redd.it/bishop-takes-wannabe-king-v0-deoe82bchsee1.png?auto=webp...](https://preview.redd.it/bishop-takes-wannabe-king-v0-deoe82bchsee1.png?auto=webp&s=02ab93cd1a93530b832cf29f8f5eb0a6c9db43b8)** ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/7 "2025-01-24T21:46:32Z")
The thing that most terrifies Donald Trump is a diminutive middle-aged woman dressing him down or worse coming into physical contact. [Here](https://youtu.be/B3eFZMvNS1U?si=A398P3KubFEj_kWP) you can see how how frightened he is that Angela Merkel might transition a handshake into an armbar. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/8 "2025-01-24T21:46:33Z")
If Jesus came back to earth and preached the same message he did 2000 years ago, these men would crucify him all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/9 "2025-01-24T21:49:32Z")
What’s wrong with her forum? It’s her pulpit. And she did not violate any laws, unlike a good many maga preachers who preached to their flocks to vote for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/10 "2025-01-24T21:51:28Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > The forum she chose for such a lecture is questionable in my mind. Where else could she say something that Trump would hear? You think she would have been invited onto Fox News? Or he’d run into her at McDonalds? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/11 "2025-01-24T21:55:02Z")
She is not the President’s Own Bishop. She is the Bishop of the Episcopal Church of Washington DC. That was her pulpit, she represents the people of her church, and God. She gets to say whatever she wants. ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/12 "2025-01-24T22:00:47Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What’s wrong with her forum? It’s her pulpit. And she did not violate any laws, unlike a good many maga preachers who preached to their flocks to vote for Trump. It just seemed like a lecture, rather than what should be a dialogue. And my personal thought is that sermons should not be a direct personal message to a single individual, but rather a more general discussion for the entire audience. It just seemed contrived to generate controversy. I don’t know, I’m not outrage about it or anything. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/13 "2025-01-24T22:01:15Z")
Am I missing something? She basically asked Trump to be a decent human being. What would she even apologize for? ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/14 "2025-01-24T22:03:30Z")
Asking him to feign being human hurt his fee-fees. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/15 "2025-01-24T22:12:54Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > And my personal thought is that sermons should not be a direct personal message to a single individual, but rather a more general discussion for the entire audience. In my experience, the preacher preaches and the congregation listens. It’s not about having a dialogue. It’s about teaching the lessons of Jesus. ‘Jesus tells us to be nice to one another’ isn’t directed at one person. It’s a message for everybody. It’s not her fault that there was a certain person attending who makes it a point _not_ to be nice to people. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/16 "2025-01-24T22:15:13Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > I didn’t read the entire content of her sermon, but from what was posted I fully agree with her. The forum she chose for such a lecture is questionable in my mind. You can find a transcript of the entire sermon [here](https://www.stmarksrva.org/blog/a-sermon-given-by-the-rt-rev-mariann-budde/), if, you know, you want to have an informed opinion. For the purpose of brevity and getting to the crux of the ‘issue’, the ending portion of the sermon that seems to be the portion mostly presenting manufactured outrage is below: > _Let me make one final plea, Mr. President. Millions have put their trust in you. As you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are transgender children in both Republican and Democrat families who fear for their lives._ > > _And the people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings; who labor in our poultry farms and meat-packing plants; who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shift in hospitals—they may not be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes, and are good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches, mosques and synagogues, gurdwara, and temples._ > > _Have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away. Help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here. Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were once strangers in this land._ Now, I’m not a churchgoing man or a believer in supernatural beings responding to prayer but a sermon asking mercy and compassion for everyone regardless of creed, ethnicity, or gender would seem entirely appropriate in the venue of a church. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/17 "2025-01-24T22:19:30Z")
May I simply reiterate: > [@The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues/1010068/906): > > I have no idea where this properly lives, so … here. arrow_forward Something I've posted several times before In the Washington DC National Cathedral, today, the Right Rev. Mariann Budde, the Episcopal bishop of Washington, gave a sermon that may have been The Most Uncomfortable Non-Judicial Speech that Trump has had to listen to in a very long time. In short, she explained what Jesus actually would do, and essentially exhorted Trump to lean in that direction – y’know: the antithesis of his entire agenda. … ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/18 "2025-01-24T22:20:48Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Now, I’m not a churchgoing man or a believer in supernatural beings responding to prayer but a sermon asking mercy and compassion for everyone regardless of creed, ethnicity, or gender would seem entirely appropriate in the venue of a church. I completely agree, and if she had said “Those in power have a duty to extend compassion to those most vulnerable among us…” or something along those line, then I would feel much more comfortable about her entire sermon. But she addressed it as a personal plea to Trump, which I thought made it more a calculated spectacle than it should have been. Again, the _general message_ I am in complete agreement with, but structuring it as a personal lecture to Trump was a little off-putting to me. Just my feeling on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/19 "2025-01-24T22:27:18Z")
The fish rots from the head. I guess she _could_ have generalized, or … in theory … directed her sermon to the letter carrier that services my community. But _why not_ speak directly the one person in the USA who has The Most Power to set the tone for both foreign and domestic policy … since he’s asked to be invited to one of your shows? Because it’s ‘unseemly?’ Have you heard about the life Donald Trump has lived?? I get that everybody in the world is held to a higher standard than Trump, but do _you_ get how it long ago got really, really old? And why don’t his supporters _ever_ tire of his incessant whining and playing the victim? Their beloved Tough Guy is the biggest snowflake in the known universe. There really _is_ only room for one on that cross. “No Drama” Obama served the nation chamomile tea. Donald Trump and his wannabe’s serve us Red Bull, Vodka, and Meth cocktails – The Very Last Thing this country needed then or needs right now. Telling him to maybe cool his hate just a notch … hurts who, what, and how, again? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350/20 "2025-01-24T22:31:04Z")
> [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > But she addressed it as a personal plea to Trump It’s called “speaking truth to power” and it is a brave and honorable thing to do. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bishop-vs-trump/1013350.md?page=2)