# bitch bitch bitch **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 3, 2002, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293 "2002-12-03T22:27:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/21 "2002-12-04T00:02:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > **1. The word is Jingletits** ‘Jingletits’, eh. Hmmm. ::smells, sips, rolls around mouth:: Yes, a sort of insouciant perkiness. Hmmm. Ok, I think I like it. I’ll try it when I go out tonight. “Yo, jingletits!” Kind of trips off the toungue, doesn’t it? My first woosh. I mean, if it is a woosh. Darn it, will somebody tell me if I’m wooshed or not? Things were so much easier as a lurker. ---
**Author:** ![BF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5ac83/32.png) [@BF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BF)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/22 "2002-12-04T00:12:32Z")
And I am offended by “Jingletits”. Blaspheme a Xmas classic, will you **jar**? Everyone knows it’s jingleBALLS!! be-yotch… ---
**Author:** ![Cadaverous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@Cadaverous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cadaverous)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/23 "2002-12-04T00:17:05Z")
Bitch is far more offensive when applied to a man. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/24 "2002-12-04T00:24:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*there are plenty of denigrating words that aren’t gender specific. \*\* And if I’m referring specifically to a woman why wouldn’t I choose a gender specific term? I truly don’t understand the rationale. I call a good looking guy “handsome.” I call a good looking woman “pretty.” I may refer to a man who pisses me off as a “bastard.” I may refer to a woman who pisses me off as a “bitch.” Is your problem with gender specific words in general, or just insults? Is it just female specific insults, or just “bitch?” ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/25 "2002-12-04T00:36:08Z")
“Asshole” is pretty gender-specific for men, too, now that I think of it. Am I still allowed to call myself a bitch, or is that a Bad Thing as well? ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/26 "2002-12-04T00:45:02Z")
Meredith Brooks surrenders. but that song still makes me harrrrrny. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/27 "2002-12-04T00:46:45Z")
This is not a woosh. I was motivated to speak up as a result of the “queer” thread however. It is beyond me that people who are far more PC than I can ignore this gender specific derogatory term. I really get the impression that when men use it, that they have no respect for assertive women. “He’s tough but she’s a bitch”. If a man has difficulty with a task, it becomes a “bitch”. And exactly what does " bitch" mean in the gay/lesbian/masochist/bondage/etc community? > [@](#): > > _Scylla_ > I may refer to a man who pisses me off as a “bastard.” > > I may refer to a woman who pisses me off as a “bitch.” So why don’t you call a guy who frustrates you a prick instead of the gender neutral “bastard” which we all know gets superceded by “cunt” and "bitch " when we are describing the female object of our frustrations. Could it be that for us men, being a “prick” isn’t all that derogatory? And to answer your question, I would say that I don’t like personal insults in general (though I have been guilty), but female gender specific derogatory insults particularly are offensive to me. I do have a wife and two daughters and they can be very assertive at times. How are assholes specific to men? ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/28 "2002-12-04T00:52:42Z")
I always thought of ‘bastard’ as being fairly gender-specific to men as well, at least in practice. I’m sure there’s a misogynistic(?) reason for this, relating to continuity of family bloodlines being historically more important to men, or something. As for ‘asshole’ being a male-oriented insult…I think it is as well, but I’ll decline to stick my neck out any further in guessing why. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/29 "2002-12-04T01:09:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Muad’Dib \* > \*\*House living? \*\* You know, as opposed to yankees all being _C.H.U.D.s_ ;j So, should we just take away all the words we don’t like hoping that the ideas they represent go away? We’re 18 yrs too late for that. Sometimes it _is_ appropriate to call someone out for behaving in a manner you find offensive. Though I may not like certain words, and usually tend not to use them, when it fits, it fits. It’s rare for one word to carry such a weight of meaning as _bitch_ or _asshole_. But, some people use profanity _all the time_, making their possibly valid points fall on deaf ears. Son of a Rhonda, ain’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/30 "2002-12-04T01:11:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\* > So why don’t you call a guy who frustrates you a prick instead of the gender neutral “bastard” \*\* I thought “bastard” was gender specific to males. > [@](#): > > \*\*Could it be that for us men, being a “prick” isn’t all that derogatory? \*\* I dunno. Why don’t you walk into a biker bar, try it out and see if anybody buys you a beer? > [@](#): > > \*\* And to answer your question, I would say that I don’t like personal insults in general (though I have been guilty), but female gender specific derogatory insults particularly are offensive to me. I do have a wife and two daughters and they can be very assertive at times. > > \*\* I think I understand. You’re saying that you’re a modern pussified male who’s been psychically castrated by the domineering women in his life. In an attempt to regain self-esteem you’ve created this whiny little bitch-rant. By telling other people what they should and shouldn’t say you can get off on a feeling of smug superiority. All the while you feel you’re safe in doing this because you’ve couched your castrati whine in politically correct feminist lingo, to shield you from reproach. “I am trying to protect women from dehumanizing language,” you can say, thus maintaining the moral highground. Is that about right? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/31 "2002-12-04T01:24:37Z")
Bitching response, you prick! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_The\_Diver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Buck\_The\_Diver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_The_Diver)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/32 "2002-12-04T01:40:20Z")
My research indicates that I’m not supposed to use the following words in a derogatory manner on the SDMB: Gay Cunt Queer Bitch Am I missing any? 'Cuz I don’t want to, ya know, inadvertently insult someone or anything. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![stockton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5a626/32.png) [@stockton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stockton)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/33 "2002-12-04T02:06:33Z")
I shall commence picketing the Minnesota Twins and the S.F. Giants shortly, since both generalizations are offensive to me. I’ll drive down to the demonstration site in my bitchin’ Mustang. That bastard can GO!!! Don’t even get me started about the Redskins… ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/34 "2002-12-04T03:22:59Z")
Well, **grienspace** , if I’m not being wooshed, then my previous answer stands. Being assertive has little or no relationship to being a bitch, IMO. A bitch is … well … a bitch. Female or male. It’s not a term I use loosely; I don’t even apply it to my ex-wife. I’m mildly drunk; I will stop now before I dig myself into a hole I can’t get out of tomorrow. P.S., **Scylla** , bastard is gender neutral. Technically, a bastard is simply an illegitimate child. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/35 "2002-12-04T03:57:56Z")
Bitch: > [@](#): > > A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing. > A lewd woman. > A man considered to be weak or contemptible according to the dictionary, Bitch is gender neutral as well. Saying “Mam, you are spiteful or overbearing” simply doesn’t have the same effect as “You Bitch”. I prefer the later. ---
**Author:** ![teela\_brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@teela\_brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teela_brown)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/36 "2002-12-04T04:29:13Z")
This thread reminds me of something I’d been meaning to ask for some time: how did the term “bitch” come to define a mean, vicious woman when it originally meant a female dog - and all the female dogs I’ve ever known have been sweet and good-tempered? I don’t get the connection. ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/37 "2002-12-04T04:41:23Z")
I find the phrase, “He’s a little bitch,” to be quite an insulting phrase, even more so than, “She’s being quite a bitch.” I consider bitch to be gender neutral, and saying something is a bitch is neither an insult towards women nor men. It’s just a bitch. At one time the word was used solely as an insult toward women, but then it moved into the gender neutral category that does not denigrate women any more than men. I use bastard and asshole to refer mostly to men, but I’ll definitely call a woman an asshole. > [@](#): > > My research indicates that I’m not supposed to use the following words in a derogatory manner on the SDMB: > > Gay > Cunt > Queer > Bitch > > Am I missing any? 'Cuz I don’t want to, ya know, inadvertently insult someone or anything. Yeah, I think cocksucker is also out. I’m not sure if motherfucker is still acceptable as it might offend those with an Oedipus complex. [sub]FTR, I don’t think I’ve ever even used the word cocksucker in a sentence, and I doubt I ever will. But I think it’s entirely possible to be too PC and when we start worrying that our insults are insulting people, it’s too far. [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/38 "2002-12-04T05:10:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Buck The Diver \* > \*\*My research indicates that I’m not supposed to use the following words in a derogatory manner on the SDMB: > > Gay > Cunt > Queer > Bitch > > Am I missing any? 'Cuz I don’t want to, ya know, inadvertently insult someone or anything. :rolleyes: \*\* But if no words had any power to upset and denigrate, how would we let other people know we were very displeased with them? ---
**Author:** ![Kyomara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8edcca/32.png) [@Kyomara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyomara)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/39 "2002-12-04T05:24:37Z")
Bitch Gay Cunt Queer Magical Sky Pixie Fuck this shit. Of course “bitch” is gender specific and derogatory to women. THAT’S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293/40 "2002-12-04T05:37:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by featherlou \* > \*\*But if no words had any power to upset and denigrate, how would we let other people know we were very displeased with them? \*\* Stab them in the face? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bitch-bitch-bitch/140293.md?page=3)