# Black are better at music—Or fuck you Diogenes the Cynic **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 29, 2008, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311 "2008-04-29T03:00:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/1 "2008-04-29T03:00:46Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] It explains why black people are better at music, for instance. [/QUOTE] I guess I could have started a new thread in Great Debate to see if you could back up your racist crap, but I would rather just tell you to fuck off you racist piece of shit. So, fuck off you racist piece of shit. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9743260#post9743260](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9743260#post9743260) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/2 "2008-04-29T03:03:24Z")
Good lord, are you going to pit _everything_ until you find something that people agree with you on? ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/3 "2008-04-29T03:06:19Z")
Added gem: [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] And black people ARE better at music than white people. That’s just a fact. If it wasn’t for Black Americans, white Americans would still have nothing but their imbecillic jug music. [/QUOTE] Irving Berlin played some mean jug music. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/4 "2008-04-29T03:11:35Z")
Oh, look. **Two and a Half Feet of Stupid** has started another Pit thread. O joy. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/5 "2008-04-29T03:24:48Z")
White men _can_ jump! ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/6 "2008-04-29T03:32:42Z")
Good God. So **Dio** ’s a closet racist. Plus, he has no grasp of American musical history…or even of American popular music. “Imbecillic [sic] jug music” indeed. Yutz. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/7 "2008-04-29T03:43:55Z")
They are better at basketball too! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/8 "2008-04-29T03:53:20Z")
Can’t you just call him on this without calling him a racist? I mean, he’s wrong, but I don’t think he’s wrong for that particular reason. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/9 "2008-04-29T04:00:35Z")
The attitude is an indicator. He’s thinking in terms of “an entire race of people is better at something than another entire race of people,” when there’s no evidence or reason that this is so. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/10 "2008-04-29T04:04:14Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] The attitude is an indicator. He’s thinking in terms of “an entire race of people is better at something than another entire race of people,” when there’s no evidence or reason that this is so. [/QUOTE] Oh, blow me. It’s like saying that men are taller than women. It’s not true that all men are taller than all women, but , in general, men tend to be taller than women. As to my thesis that black people are better at music than white people. I have two words: Jimi Hendrix. Checkmate. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/11 "2008-04-29T04:05:18Z")
Johann Sebastian Bach, bitch. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/12 "2008-04-29T04:05:54Z")
So, I guess White people are better at science. Einstein. In fact, I think we can start making a whole list of things that White people are better at. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/13 "2008-04-29T04:09:17Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] Johann Sebastian Bach, bitch. [/QUOTE] Miles Davis, motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/14 "2008-04-29T04:10:28Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Oh, blow me. It’s like saying that men are taller than women. It’s not true that all men are taller than all women, but , in general, men tend to be taller than women. As to my thesis that black people are better at music than white people. I have two words: Jimi Hendrix. Checkmate. [/QUOTE] White people are better writers. I have two words: William Shakespeare. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/15 "2008-04-29T04:10:43Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Miles Davis, motherfucker. [/QUOTE] Sorry, anybody who singlehandedly destroyed jazz by inventing Fusion, does not rise to the level of Bach. Fuckstick. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/16 "2008-04-29T04:11:29Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Miles Davis, motherfucker. [/QUOTE] Mozart. You are just clueless, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/17 "2008-04-29T04:14:13Z")
Nos. Weez Europeans jus accentuate an clap on beats 1 and fow. Day clap on da 2nd and fifth. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/18 "2008-04-29T04:16:45Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] White people are better writers. I have two words: William Shakespeare. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Wait a minute. Writing is supposed to be on the creative side. **Dio** , quick, explain this conundrum for this unimaginative white guy. By the way, I’m in advertising. There are quite a few predominantly black and black-owned agencies. I’m still waiting for the first great idea to come out of one. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/19 "2008-04-29T04:19:36Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] So, I guess White people are better at science. Einstein. In fact, I think we can start making a whole list of things that White people are better at. [/QUOTE] Go ahead. I think it’s probably true that whites have made more scientific advances than blacks. None of this is genetic, though, it’s cultural. That study in the other thread on right brain/left brain pedagocical differences in culture makes a lot of sense. White European classical music was sterile and mathematic and rigid. Black folks had to show them how to incorporate blue notes and more relaxed rhythms and whatnot. It’s more expressionistic and less rational. Since music is the most abstract and most expressionistic of all the arts, it’s the most amenable to right brain creative processes. So yeah, I think black musicians and composers tend to be better than white ones. If that makes me a racist then shave my head. By the way, which race am I biased _against_ by this metric? If I think Black music is better, does that mean I hate whites or blacks? I’m very confused. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311/20 "2008-04-29T04:23:07Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] Sorry, anybody who singlehandedly destroyed jazz by inventing Fusion, does not rise to the level of Bach. Fuckstick. [/QUOTE] Louis Armstrong John Coltrane Charlie Parker Duke Ellington Ray Charles Sly Stone Stevie Wonder Bob Marley What do white people have? Fucking Mylie fucking Cyrus. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-are-better-at-music-or-fuck-you-diogenes-the-cynic/447311.md?page=2)