# Black church opposition to marriage equality in Illinois **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 1, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-church-opposition-to-marriage-equality-in-illinois/659839 "2013-06-01T04:07:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-church-opposition-to-marriage-equality-in-illinois/659839/81 "2013-06-10T18:11:11Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > My apologies for the misrememberance. No worries, I just wanted to keep the record straight. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-church-opposition-to-marriage-equality-in-illinois/659839/82 "2013-06-11T00:33:41Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Take our own **Starving Artist** as an example. Do I think he is evil or bigoted? Not really, as evinced by his willingness to have same sex couples participate in the rights that are available to opposite sex couples. Do I think he is irrational in his refusal to allow them to call it a mdarriage? You betcha! This is evinced by his inability to mount an argument as to why we should not allow them this beyond vague protestations that bad things may happen without providing any mechanism that will cause these bad things or any indication as to what these bad things are. Then I suggest you do a more exhaustive search, lest you allow yourself to be driven by this ignorance. Then again, why bother? What you really mean is that I’ve supplied no reasons or arguments that you agree with. How is it that I can see the logic of your position, yet you can’t see the logic in mine. I’ve provided reasons and arguments, all perfectly rational. But because we start from a different place, and have different concerns, you not only hand-wave away the arguments themselves, you deem them “irrational”. Even after posters on your side have begrudgingly admitted my position is indeed rational—in more than one thread—we’re left with you peddling the same old schtick. It gets old. Yawn. Believe what you want. I’m too busy to plow that petrified ground _again_. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-church-opposition-to-marriage-equality-in-illinois/659839/83 "2013-06-11T00:39:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Then I suggest you do a more exhaustive search, lest you allow yourself to be driven by this ignorance. Then again, why bother? What you really mean is that I’ve supplied no reasons or arguments that you agree with. How is it that I can see the logic of your position, yet you can’t see the logic in mine. I’ve provided reasons and arguments, all perfectly rational. But because we start from a different place, and have different concerns, you not only hand-wave away the arguments themselves, you deem them “irrational”. Even after posters on your side have begrudgingly admitted my position is indeed rational—in more than one thread—we’re left with you peddling the same old schtick. It gets old. Yawn. Believe what you want. I’m too busy to plow that petrified ground _again_. What is “rational” about your argument against gay marriage? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-church-opposition-to-marriage-equality-in-illinois/659839/84 "2013-06-11T13:07:00Z")
“Words are important, so marriage must refer to one man and one woman forever and always in perpetuity.” Something along those lines. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-church-opposition-to-marriage-equality-in-illinois/659839/85 "2013-06-11T22:14:25Z")
Also, something about how forty years after gay marriage is legalized, the Earth will explode. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-church-opposition-to-marriage-equality-in-illinois/659839/86 "2013-06-11T23:11:05Z")
Only 30 more years and Canada will bring down North America with our arrogant flaunting of the Precepts of Merriam and the Laws of Webster! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-church-opposition-to-marriage-equality-in-illinois/659839.md?page=4)