# Black Lives Matter **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 7, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473 "2015-07-07T14:30:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/21 "2015-07-08T13:13:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The kid wasn’t shot by a white cop, and black-on-black crime doesn’t fit comfortably into anyone’s “The Man Is Keeping Us Down” narrative. Excellent demonstration of the “liberals don’t care about the real violence” narrative. Keep it up! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/22 "2015-07-08T13:18:44Z")
For a non-snarky response to the issue of violence in Chicago (and elsewhere), I’ve read very good things about the organization [“Cure Violence”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cure_Violence), which looks at violent crime in cities as if it’s a transmittable disease, and uses similar strategies that epidemiologists use to fight it. And [results seem promising](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cure_Violence#Evaluation), with significant drops in shootings. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/23 "2015-07-08T13:25:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The kid wasn’t shot by a white cop, and black-on-black crime doesn’t fit comfortably into anyone’s “The Man Is Keeping Us Down” narrative. > > Regards, > Shodan The subtext of your point is “Why should anyone give a fuck about cops killing blacks when more blacks are killed by other blacks?” Of course this makes no sense- we expect criminals to kill people, we should not expect police to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/24 "2015-07-08T13:42:49Z")
No, my point is that black-on-black crime doesn’t help the race pimps get money or attention. Thus, _:crickets:_ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/25 "2015-07-08T14:01:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, my point is that black-on-black crime doesn’t help the race pimps get money or attention. Thus, _:crickets:_ Race pimps? :rolleyes: I think your comments say much more about your views on race and black-on-black violence than they do about liberals’ views. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/26 "2015-07-08T14:06:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, my point is that black-on-black crime doesn’t help the race pimps get money or attention. Thus, _:crickets:_ > > Regards, > Shodan I think it’s more like people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are fully aware of how black criminals kill black citizens but are also aware that criminals are not affected by public outrage. When cops kill black citizens, that is a more productive use of outrage in that policy changes might be forced to reduce the carnage. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/27 "2015-07-08T14:08:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > For a non-snarky response to the issue of violence in Chicago (and elsewhere), I’ve read very good things about the organization [“Cure Violence”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cure_Violence), which looks at violent crime in cities as if it’s a transmittable disease, and uses similar strategies that epidemiologists use to fight it. > > And [results seem promising](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cure_Violence#Evaluation), with significant drops in shootings. I snorted when I read the first paragraph, but now I’m reading more about the program and it’s fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/28 "2015-07-08T14:16:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I snorted when I read the first paragraph, but now I’m reading more about the program and it’s fascinating. Yep – that was my initial reaction as well. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/29 "2015-07-08T16:26:59Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Race pimps? :rolleyes: > > I think your comments say much more about your views on race and black-on-black violence than they do about liberals’ views. I prefer to call them “professional racists.” Attention whores like Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton, who shamelessly exploit race for their own benefit. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/30 "2015-07-08T17:11:27Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > Is it time to bring in the marines or something? Seriously? Is that even possible? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/31 "2015-07-08T17:47:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, my point is that black-on-black crime doesn’t help the race pimps get money or attention. Thus, _:crickets:_ > > Regards, > Shodan [Al Sharpton: Let’s talk about violence in black neighborhoods](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/rev-al-sharpton-talk-violence-black-neighborhoods-article-1.292142) [Do black leaders ignore black-on-black crime?](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-black-crime-ferguson-sharpton-jason-riley-steve-20140820-column.html) (Answer: no) [Jesse Jackson rallies to stop black-on-black carnage](http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-06-12/jesse-jackson-gun-violence-marches/55527742/1) [Black-on-black crime widely ignored, say African American activitists](http://news.yahoo.com/black-black-crime-widely-ignored-african-american-activists-190404331.html) [Jesse Jackson decries black-on-black crime](https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19841202&id=KUhOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=shMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6992,432477&hl=en) [Houston leaders rally to stop black-on-black crime](http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-leaders-rally-to-stop-black-on-black-crime-1904356.php) I can go on like that for a while. The truth is, your much maligned “race pimps” spend a lot of time talking about black-on-black crime. You don’t hear about it, because the media you consume only cares about black-on-black crime as a distraction from when people bring up police violence. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/32 "2015-07-08T18:18:24Z")
White guy shoots black guy - Sharpton leads protests in Ferguson and Crown Heights and various cities after the Zimmerman case. But that’s OK - he gave a speech against black-on-black crime in 2008. And your [link](http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_143637946073814&key=ce270d38103a630c3181db372a25a052&libId=ibv2us6g010004p6000DAkqdmpbv9&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D761569&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fblack-black-crime-widely-ignored-african-american-activists-190404331.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fforumdisplay.php%3Fs%3D%26daysprune%3D%26f%3D12&title=Black%20Lives%20Matter%20-%20Straight%20Dope%20Message%20Board&txt=Black-on-black%20crime%20widely%20ignored%2C%20say%20African%20American%20activitists)about how black on black crime is ignored is saying the same thing I am. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/33 "2015-07-08T19:35:39Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Seriously? Is that even possible? No. Posse Comitatus Act. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/34 "2015-07-08T20:18:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > White guy shoots black guy - Sharpton leads protests in Ferguson and Crown Heights and various cities after the Zimmerman case. But that’s OK - he gave a speech against black-on-black crime in 2008. Sharpton regularly speaks out about black-on-black crime, and regularly leads protest marches to raise attention about the issue. Jackson, too. This is a major part of their work as political advocates. I mean, you can still hate on him for all the other stuff he’s done: Crown Heights and Tawana Brawley. Heck, there’s enough dirt on him already, why do you need to go around inventing stuff to complain about? > [@](#): > > And your [link](http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_143637946073814&key=ce270d38103a630c3181db372a25a052&libId=ibv2us6g010004p6000DAkqdmpbv9&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D761569&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fblack-black-crime-widely-ignored-african-american-activists-190404331.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fforumdisplay.php%3Fs%3D%26daysprune%3D%26f%3D12&title=Black%20Lives%20Matter%20-%20Straight%20Dope%20Message%20Board&txt=Black-on-black%20crime%20widely%20ignored%2C%20say%20African%20American%20activitists)about how black on black crime is ignored is saying the same thing I am. > > Regards, > Shodan Yes, that’s generally the point of the protests and consciousness raising done by people like Sharpton and Jackson: to get more media attention to the issues of violence in black communities. The fact that the media only pays attention to them when they talk about police violence against black people is not exactly their fault. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/35 "2015-07-09T02:02:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No. Posse Comitatus Act. There are some loopholes to that, e.g. the Drug War exceptions, as used, I think, at Waco. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/36 "2015-07-09T02:43:44Z")
Yeah, I don’t think Sharpton is so much the problem as the media. White people are news, whether victim or perpetrator. Black people are not news unless they are famous. And if something’s in the news, then that gets people more riled up then something that isn’t in the news. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/37 "2015-07-09T13:18:45Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > There are some loopholes to that, e.g. the Drug War exceptions, as used, I think, at Waco. No marines were deployed at Waco. That was ATF and FBI agents, and the Texas Army National Guard. The National Guard _can_ be deployed on domestic soil. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/38 "2015-07-09T17:17:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Excellent demonstration of the “liberals don’t care about the real violence” narrative. Keep it up! **Shodan** is NOT a liberal. Not by any definition. He would strongly object to being thought of as in any way ‘liberal’. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/39 "2015-07-09T17:35:06Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > **Shodan** is NOT a liberal. Not by any definition. He would strongly object to being thought of as in any way ‘liberal’. You misunderstand me. From what I’ve seen, there exists a perception (a false one, in the mind of this liberal) among many conservatives (and conservative media figures) that “liberals don’t care about the real violence”, (the “real violence” being black-on-black crime). So I was ‘congratulating’ **Shodan** for repeating this right-wing media meme/narrative, in a mocking fashion. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473/40 "2015-07-09T17:35:18Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > **Shodan** is NOT a liberal. Not by any definition. He would strongly object to being thought of as in any way ‘liberal’. Give it time, we’ll convert him yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-lives-matter/724473.md?page=1)