# Black Men drinking White Wine **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** wine\ **Created:** [July 27, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187 "2010-07-27T14:54:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/21 "2010-07-27T17:20:50Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I didn’t interpret the other stuff as racist, exactly, as pointing out that they think the OP is racist. I don’t know that the OP is trying to be racist but if he/she saw a group of white women or white men drinking white wine, would they think that was all that odd? Kind of doubt it… I think he would. The OP actually pointed out a similar phenomenon caused by Sideways amongst white yuppies. Asking why X has caught on amongst a particular demographic isn’t racist. There was a thread in GQ a few weeks ago asking why asians do the “two finger victory sign” in photos, there wasn’t a chorus of cries of racism then. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/22 "2010-07-27T17:21:35Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > > > > [@PSXer](#): > > > > > > as long as they aren’t drinking red wine with fish > > > > Ew. Herring flavored Merlot. > > > > I didn’t interpret the other stuff as racist, exactly, as pointing out that they think the OP is racist. I don’t know that the OP is trying to be racist but if he/she saw a group of white women or white men drinking white wine, would they think that was all that odd? Kind of doubt it… > > No, and that’s the POINT. Have we lined the path with eggshells so thoroughly that it’s “racist” to note that seeing groups of black guys sitting around drinking white wine is a bit unusual? Yes. Sad really. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/23 "2010-07-27T17:24:25Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > > [@PSXer](#): > > > > I didn’t interpret the other stuff as racist, exactly, as pointing out that they think the OP is racist. I don’t know that the OP is trying to be racist but if he/she saw a group of white women or white men drinking white wine, would they think that was all that odd? Kind of doubt it… > > I think he would. The OP actually pointed out a similar phenomenon caused by Sideways amongst white yuppies. Asking why X has caught on amongst a particular demographic isn’t racist. There was a thread in GQ a few weeks ago asking why asians do the “two finger victory sign” in photos, there wasn’t a chorus of cries of racism then. Actually I said that quote, not **PSXer**. To me, drinking white wine just doesn’t seem that odd. I guess it’s because it’s pretty much my drink of choice. To me it’s like saying, “Isn’t it odd that all these college students are drinking beer?” Wine just seems like such a normal thing that asking about it seems bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/24 "2010-07-27T17:27:18Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > They were clearly out of Purple Drank. Don’t you mean BIG RED? ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/25 "2010-07-27T17:29:56Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Actually I said that quote, not **PSXer**. Appologies. Fixed before the edit window closed, though. Now it is you who will look foolish, bwahahaha!!. Did the board software just start nesting quotes? I think thats what screwed me up. > [@](#): > > To me, drinking white wine just doesn’t seem that odd. I guess it’s because it’s pretty much my drink of choice. To me it’s like saying, “Isn’t it odd that all these college students are drinking beer?” Wine just seems like such a normal thing that asking about it seems bizarre. In a bar? Guess you go to classier places then I do, drinking wine of any color in a bar seems kinda weird. And if it was a particular demographic doing it in all instances, I think I’d make a note of it as well. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/26 "2010-07-27T17:30:17Z")
Were they shouting at the TV? Cuz. . .you know. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/27 "2010-07-27T17:34:52Z")
The real trouble was that they were out of Rocket Fuel, which discriminating black people know has the upstate prison flavor that keeps you ugly all night long. Remember, when the party starts bouncin’ and the ladies start bumpin’, tighten up your flow with Rocket Fuel. Damn! It’s crizappy! ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/28 "2010-07-27T17:41:56Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > In a bar? Guess you go to classier places then I do, drinking wine of any color in a bar seems kinda weird. And if it was a particular demographic doing it in all instances, I think I’d make a note of it as well. I don’t drink in bars all that often these days but if I were, I’d probably order a glass of white wine if they had it. And I definitely have in the past. I don’t really think of it as classy, just that I prefer the taste of it to most liquor. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/29 "2010-07-27T17:48:45Z")
I think the OP is actually being sexist rather than racist. And to be fair, one doesn’t see men drinking white wine nearly as often as women. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/30 "2010-07-27T17:51:23Z")
> [@dmatsch](#): > > Didn’t you know that it is a well known fact that your so-called “black men” cannot metabolize white wine and it has a lethal dose at LD 50/50. Or was that MD 50/50? > > It was a twin suicide attempt and you did nothing to help them. I hope you’re ashamed of yourself. The dosage is 20/20. And isn’t that a white teenager thing? Everybody knows that if it doesn’t come in exactly 40 oz, it’s not a drink. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > They were clearly out of Purple Drank. I hear there’s a bar in Springfield that serves an amazing drink that used that as an ingredient. Wonder what happened to it? ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/31 "2010-07-27T17:53:29Z")
Seemed like a valid question to me. I’ve never seen anyone drink wine at a bar. I’ve seen more women drink wine than men. I’ve only seen one black man drink wine. If a bunch of 21 year old college students went to a bar and drank nothing but wine, it would be equally weird. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/32 "2010-07-27T17:54:53Z")
> [@](#): > > I hear there’s a bar in Springfield that serves an amazing drink that used that as an ingredient. Wonder what happened to it? It’s illegal? ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/33 "2010-07-27T17:54:54Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > > > They were clearly out of Purple Drank. > > I hear there’s a bar in Springfield that serves an amazing drink that used that as an ingredient. Wonder what happened to it? Great. Now I have a new song stuck in my head. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/34 "2010-07-27T17:59:47Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > > [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > > > > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > > > > > They were clearly out of Purple Drank. > > > > I hear there’s a bar in Springfield that serves an amazing drink that used that as an ingredient. Wonder what happened to it? > > Great. Now I have a new song stuck in my head. …and I’ve got the \*Cheers \*theme stuck in mine. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/35 "2010-07-27T18:03:28Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > I think the OP is actually being sexist rather than racist. And to be fair, one doesn’t see men drinking white wine nearly as often as women. I think he’s being oenist, because he surely wouldn’t have asked why a racially and ethnically diverse group of men and women were all drinking beer. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/36 "2010-07-27T18:03:36Z")
‘The only time I drink white wine is when I’m out of red.’ – Alberto Tomba. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/37 "2010-07-27T18:19:17Z")
I suppose that from now on, I should all assume that all races, sexes and cultures all behave exactly the same as each other and are influenced by the same sources of pop culture. And I’m sure that if any of you saw a group of white women in business suits all drinking out of 40 oz. malt liquor bottles, none of you would have raised an eyebrow, huh? If anything, the people suggesting racism are the ones displaying it. Why, you ask? Because they’re making the implicit assumption that white wine is a superior form of liquor (vs. malt liquor, Boone’s or Thunderbird). And thus they are offended by my suggestion that this is a new trend that must have some pop culture origin. What gives you all away is the list of beverages that you chose to highlight. The beverages that were mentioned were grape soda, Boone’s, malt liquor, Thunderbird, King Cobra and MD 20/20, none of which are actually served at bars. Anyone could have also mentioned Ciroc, Hennessy, Hypnotiq or Cristal (which are all served at bars). ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/38 "2010-07-27T18:28:16Z")
> [@tr0psn4j](#): > > I’ve never seen anyone drink wine at a bar. Depends what kind of bar, but I’ve seen it many times. > [@](#): > > I’ve seen more women drink wine than men. Wine is my drink of choice, and I’m a man. I don’t think of it as an especially female drink. > [@](#): > > I’ve only seen one black man drink wine. I’m sure I’ve seen more than one black man drink wine in my life. Of course, I’m not in the US. Maybe African-Americans are a culture that doesn’t drink much wine in general, but that doesn’t mean that it’s especially unusual to see a group of them sharing a bottle of wine. Stereotypes may be based in reality, but they’re still stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/39 "2010-07-27T18:45:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Because they’re making the implicit assumption that white wine is a superior form of liquor (vs. malt liquor, Boone’s or Thunderbird). Well, it is a superior form of liquor. Have you tried malt liquors and those Bum Wines? I’m not really sure how people can drink them. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/40 "2010-07-27T19:16:53Z")
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