# Black Men drinking White Wine **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** wine\ **Created:** [July 27, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187 "2010-07-27T14:54:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/61 "2010-07-27T20:54:25Z")
> [@Spit](#): > > I dunno…If you are in a bar enough, you start to notice trends. If any of the following were ordered from my bar by a server (where I would have no idea the race/sex/etc.) I would be willing to wager large sums of money that: > > PBR=Hipster > Heineken=Black male > Yuengling= White male > Michelob Ultra= White chick/Flamboyant male > Jagermeister- Frat boys/White slut > Hennesey=Black male > Dewars=late 20’s white guy > Chivas- over 40 white guy > Mudslide=Early 20’s or late 30’s white chick The only people I’ve ever known who drank Dewars were old white men or conservative white guys who wanted to be like old white men. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/62 "2010-07-27T20:57:21Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > > [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > > > Why threes? > > Because three is the maximum number of black men we allow to congregate together at any one time. Duh. I hope they at least poured one out for their homies who weren’t allowed in the wine bar. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/63 "2010-07-27T20:59:35Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > You should experience a wider variety of bars. I wouldn’t expect to see a lot of wine drinkers at the pub, no, but most of the bars in my neighborhood are more the wine/spirit type of venue and serve close to an equal amount of beer and wine/cocktails. I’d say, while guys drink beer more often, a very good portion of my peers are imbibing wine or spirits. > > I’m a guy who likes a good beer, but unless I’m out at the pub with my teammates, I’m much more likely to order wine because beer makes me fart too much. Most of the people I socialize with regularly drink wine if we’re in the city, and beer at the campground or after sport/physical labor stuff. Yeah, I haven’t really gone to bars that really cater to the wine drinking crowd. My younger age has a lot to do with it too probably. ---
**Author:** ![antonio107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/64 "2010-07-27T21:06:46Z")
I think any group of men drinking white wine while out is odd. Black or otherwise. I’ll occasionally drink white wine, but culturally I think it’s been seen as more effeminate than red wine. Wine, if my impressions serve me well, is typically drank in the U.S. by a more affluent group than those who drink macro-brew beers. Maybe they were brothas from the Hamptons? ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/65 "2010-07-27T21:10:29Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > > [@Spit](#): > > > > I dunno…If you are in a bar enough, you start to notice trends. If any of the following were ordered from my bar by a server (where I would have no idea the race/sex/etc.) I would be willing to wager large sums of money that: > > > > PBR=Hipster > > Heineken=Black male > > Yuengling= White male > > Michelob Ultra= White chick/Flamboyant male > > Jagermeister- Frat boys/White slut > > Hennesey=Black male > > Dewars=late 20’s white guy > > Chivas- over 40 white guy > > Mudslide=Early 20’s or late 30’s white chick > > The only people I’ve ever known who drank Dewars were old white men or conservative white guys who wanted to be like old white men. Just sayin’. Nah- They “upgrade” to Chivas once they become the old man- notice the subtle difference in my list. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/66 "2010-07-27T21:15:15Z")
> [@antonio107](#): > > I think any group of men drinking white wine while out is odd. Black or otherwise. I’ll occasionally drink white wine, but culturally I think it’s been seen as more effeminate than red wine. Wine, if my impressions serve me well, is typically drank in the U.S. by a more affluent group than those who drink macro-brew beers. Maybe they were brothas from the Hamptons? My gf always gets white wine. There are a few places that have it but we don’t really notice other people getting it. I see red wine as more “cultured,” while white wine is for drinking in larger quantities. It’s demographic probably skews younger too. White chicks with no taste drink white zinfandel. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/67 "2010-07-27T21:16:39Z")
> [@antonio107](#): > > I think any group of men drinking white wine while out is odd. Black or otherwise. I’ll occasionally drink white wine, but culturally I think it’s been seen as more effeminate than red wine. Wine, if my impressions serve me well, is typically drank in the U.S. by a more affluent group than those who drink macro-brew beers. Maybe they were brothas from the Hamptons? This. I love wine but the only time I’ll order it at a bar (excluding wine bars) is if it’s at a restaurant and I’m waiting for a table and intend to have wine with dinner. Maybe that was the case. Or they’re on the down low. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/68 "2010-07-27T21:20:29Z")
2 cents on stereotypes: white wine is typically a lady’s drink - a white lady’s drink. however in the summertime, especially this particularly scortching summer, i’ve seen a lot of guys start ordering it. pbr may well be a hipster beer but you’ll also see young 20-something fresh out of college frat guys order pitchers of it. the difference? can = hipster. pitcher = frat guy. you can’t be SEEN drinking pbr if you don’t have the can. gin and tonic never really went away but it did die down in popularity compared to rum/coke. however it’s making a comeback in a big way. in the south, so is bourbon/ginger. redbull vodka’s reputation as a guido drink is spreading and the stigma is growing. alcoholically speaking, purple drank is prescription-strength cough syrup, 7up, and jolly ranchers. is it really sold at a bar in springfield? bars don’t serve too much wine usually. a bar in a restaurant might but an establishment whose sole goal is to dispense alcohol, especially during “partying hours” say between 10-2? wine is RARELY served. probably because nobody wants to risk spilling it. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/69 "2010-07-27T21:22:41Z")
This thread has given me a lovely nostalgic feeling. I think tonight I’ll open a bottle of wine and pour a bit out for VCO3. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/70 "2010-07-27T21:25:28Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > 2 cents on stereotypes: > > white wine is typically a lady’s drink - a white lady’s drink. however in the summertime, especially this particularly scortching summer, i’ve seen a lot of guys start ordering it. Now we might be getting somewhere–finally! It’s been pretty damn hot this summer, so you might be seeing clusters of men drinking white wine. Makes sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/71 "2010-07-27T21:28:56Z")
> [@antonio107](#): > > I think any group of men drinking white wine while out is odd. Black or otherwise. I’ll occasionally drink white wine, but culturally I think it’s been seen as more effeminate than red wine. 😕 Culurally, white wine is more effeminate? WTF are you talking about? I prefer a robust red, but it depends on if I’m eating and the weather. I’ve had a full-bodied red make my seafood dinner taste like I was licking algae off the inside wall of an aquarium. Won’t make that mistake again. If food isn’t an issue, on a humid summer evening, reds can be too robust for my taste, I’d rather something more refreshing like a white wine or a cold pale beer. In winter I’m more likely to pick a red wine or something like whiskey. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/72 "2010-07-27T21:39:06Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > > [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > > > I suppose that from now on, I should all assume that all races, sexes and cultures all behave exactly the same as each other and are influenced by the same sources of pop culture. And I’m sure that if any of you saw a group of white women in business suits all drinking out of 40 oz. malt liquor bottles, none of you would have raised an eyebrow, huh? > > I’m deliberately ignoring the rest of your post, because it gets a little silly after the part I quoted, but I generally agree with what is stated above. Really? You agree that we should all assume that “that all races, sexes and cultures all behave exactly the same as each other and are influenced by the same sources of pop culture.” > [@](#): > > Where the jokes are coming from, if the posters here are anything like me in this regard, is drinking white wine is something so ordinary and in place with the behaviors of everyone, that it standing out in your head because they were black strikes as odd. Riiiight. So I should have just noticed the 3 groups of 3 men drinking white wine, and somehow \*not[/] notice that they were all black. Gotcha. > [@](#): > > I would find it funny if I saw three white ladies in business suits drinking 40s from a paper bag, yes, but then again, I’d find it funny if anyone in a business suit were doing that. First of all, I didn’t say anything about a paper bag. I wonder why you consciously (or subconsciously) added that part. :dubious: But to use your example, you admit that if you _did_ see a group of people in business suits drinking malt liquor, you would consider this to be somewhat odd. Would you notice if they were all women? (I’m guessing yes) But based on many responses here, you would have to ignore the fact that they’re all women or else you would clearly be sexist. > [@](#): > > What I would I would not think enough of to notice is black men drinking white wine, or white girls drinking tea, or an Asian person eating a candy bar, an old person eating a salad, etc. These are just normal things that people, regardless of gender or race, do. It’s funny that black men drinking wine seemed noteworthy to you. Yup, just as women in business suits drinking malt liquor would be noteworthy to you. There’s no difference. If you see a difference, then refer to the 2nd part of my post (the part that you tossed away as being silly) ---
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/73 "2010-07-27T21:49:31Z")
This isn’t the Pit so I won’t belabor the point, but I do think the OP needs to know that he has some support. This was a reasonable question that was well phrased and was completely drowned out by senseless and rather brainless offenderati. Lovely. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/74 "2010-07-27T22:00:00Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > > [@MeanOldLady](#): > > > > > [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > > > > > I suppose that from now on, I should all assume that all races, sexes and cultures all behave exactly the same as each other and are influenced by the same sources of pop culture. And I’m sure that if any of you saw a group of white women in business suits all drinking out of 40 oz. malt liquor bottles, none of you would have raised an eyebrow, huh? > > > > I’m deliberately ignoring the rest of your post, because it gets a little silly after the part I quoted, but I generally agree with what is stated above. > > Really? You agree that we should all assume that “that all races, sexes and cultures all behave exactly the same as each other and are influenced by the same sources of pop culture.” God, you are slow. I was taking your sarcastic tone into account when I said I was agreeing with you. Of course I recognize that there are racial/cultural norms. If I saw some young black guys dressed in baggy pants with their boxers exposed, sideways Philly caps and the latest Jordans (or whatever the sneaker du jour is) walk into a honky-tonk cowboy bar, I would notice, and probably be amused. But for you to be like, “I often see black men drinking white wine. Is this some sort of hip hop thing I don’t know about” is silly, and why everyone is laughing at you. The rest of your post, somehow, gets even dumber, and isn’t worth responding to. ---
**Author:** ![santosvega](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@santosvega](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/santosvega)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/75 "2010-07-27T22:32:20Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > Culurally, white wine is more effeminate? WTF are you talking about? You’ve never encountered this, as a wine drinker? I mean, quite frankly if I encounter a man who prefers wine to beer or hard liquor, and I’m not in Argentina or France or Italy or wherever, part of me automatically tends to think of them as a bit poncey or effeminate. I know it’s wrong, and I would never treat said person any differently because of it, but it seems to me to be a knee-jerk culturally ingrained response. And it goes doubly for white wine. White wine is the quiche of alcoholic beverages. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/76 "2010-07-27T22:37:27Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > …The rest of your post, somehow, gets even dumber, and isn’t worth responding to. I’m smart enough to notice when someone revealed a bit too much about their own biases and are now attempting the ol’ rope-a-dope. Nice try.😃 ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/77 "2010-07-27T23:12:22Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Yes, I’ve noticed drinking trends, and yes we all refer to PBR and Old Style as hipster drinks, Jager and Red Bull Vodkas are douchebag drinks, etc. But white wine? In the past, I’ve noticed that those drinking white and rose wines have been predominantly female, while both men and women enjoy red wines. I’ve seen plenty of other gender divisions in drink: Microbrews, stouts, porters: men Light beers: men and women Traditional mixed drinks: men Fruity/novelty mixed drinks: women Now, this being the SDMB, of course plenty of men will check in and say they can’t get enough white zin, Michelob Ultra and fuzzy navels, while women will protest that they love gin and tonics and Samuel Smith’s Oatmeal Stout. Anyhow, the sight of three men all drinking white wine, let alone three black men, strikes me as being a bit odd. The only things I can think of is that it’s either an amazing coincidence, a pop culture reference, or a viral marketing campaign. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/78 "2010-07-27T23:19:45Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Yes, men tend to order Scotch at bars more frequently than women, but not so much that it would be anything I’d remember if a woman were to order. That’s interesting. I’d definitely notice a woman ordering a scotch at a bar. I’ve logged thousands of hours drinking at bars, but I don’t think I can even recall a time I’ve seen a female order a scotch. Bourbon or Jack, yes, also occasionally enough that I take note. I mean, the fact that you like bourbon is one of the first things, for better or worse, I remember when I see your poster name. It’s unusual enough that I take note. I’ve never been behind the bar, though, so I don’t have quite as complete and impartial view of what a more varied sampling of people might order. I’d be curious what our resident barkeeps would say. ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/79 "2010-07-28T00:19:52Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > alcoholically speaking, purple drank is prescription-strength cough syrup, 7up, and jolly ranchers. is it really sold at a bar in springfield? I’m pretty sure that’s a Simpsons joke. Way back in the early days of the show, Homer created a drink made with cough syrup. > [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > > [@MeanOldLady](#): > > > > …The rest of your post, somehow, gets even dumber, and isn’t worth responding to. > > I’m smart enough to notice when someone revealed a bit too much about their own biases and are now attempting the ol’ rope-a-dope. Nice try.😃 That’s how they’re usually drank if someone’s treating the 40 as a single serve container; so it doesn’t seem revealing at all that your post conjured up that image; it did for me anyway. Now I’m wondering what this reveals a bias against? Black people? People who drink 40s? > [@elmwood](#): > > Now, this being the SDMB, of course plenty of men will check in and say they can’t get enough white zin, Michelob Ultra and fuzzy navels, while women will protest that they love gin and tonics and Samuel Smith’s Oatmeal Stout. > > Anyhow, the sight of three men all drinking white wine, let alone three black men, strikes me as being a bit odd. The only things I can think of is that it’s either an amazing coincidence, a pop culture reference, or a viral marketing campaign. With as many different people who visit this board, isn’t it going to be expected that there’s going to be a variety of responses, instead of everyone being exactly alike? Also, three people doing something is an amazing coincidence? I could see that if we were talking 30 or 40 people. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/80 "2010-07-28T00:30:56Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > > [@antonio107](#): > > > > I think any group of men drinking white wine while out is odd. Black or otherwise. I’ll occasionally drink white wine, but culturally I think it’s been seen as more effeminate than red wine. > > 😕 Culurally, white wine is more effeminate? WTF are you talking about? We’re talking America. Peeing the wrong way (and I don’t mean with a dick in your mouth) can turn you gay or female. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187.md?page=5)