# Black Men drinking White Wine **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** wine\ **Created:** [July 27, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187 "2010-07-27T14:54:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/161 "2010-07-30T18:33:10Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > Well, apropos of nothing, I was in a bar last week and ordered a glass of milk. Let me guess, then some guy came up and insulted your manhood, possibly called you “yeller.” So you had a shootout down by the corral, possibly claiming the bounty on him. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/162 "2010-07-30T20:28:43Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > > [@fjs1fs](#): > > > > This is just so stupid. I have heard the attitude, and I have to repeat, it’s just so stupid. I love white wine, hate red wine, because of the FLAVOR. How could one drink be masculine and another more effeminate. > > In general, things that taste bitter are considered “for men” while things that taste sweet are for women. I don’t necessarily agree, having a major sweet tooth myself, but that’s the underlying assumption. How does the decline in popularity of gin relate to that? Did gin become a sissy drink? Or was there some other reason (ie, vodka mixes with more stuff)? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/163 "2010-07-30T20:30:43Z")
[QUOTE=MeanOldLady] Yes. Yes, it does say something about me, specifically that I know actual black people, and when they drink wine, I don’t go, “What movie did they see that in?” [/QUOTE] Actually when I saw the thread I thought it was a movie _title_. It has nothing to do with whether black guys drink white wine or not- it never much occurred to me whether they do or don’t as I assumed they could if they want to and I don’t go to many wine tastings- but because it _sounds_ like a movie or book or sitcom title. “Tonight on _Black Men Drinking White Wine_ Jerome’s old college flame has a big surprise for him…” or “_Tyler Perry’s Black Men Drinking White Wine 2_ starring Tyler Perry as everybody and featuring 742 all new hymns by Tyler Perry”. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/164 "2010-07-30T20:53:39Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > ]How does the decline in popularity of gin relate to that? Did gin become a sissy drink? Or was there some other reason (ie, vodka mixes with more stuff)? I’m not aware of any “sissy” connotations with gin. If anything, it’s perhaps a bit old-fashioned, may a little bit more of an old man drink, especially if drunk neat. If there’s a connotation I associate with gin, it’s that it’s the “alcoholic’s drink.” I’m not exactly sure where that impression comes from, but Googling suggests it’s not unique to me. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/165 "2010-07-30T21:19:21Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > I can be detailed in the morning if anyone wants me to be. No need for a buff and wax on my account. I love you just the way you are. But maybe that’s the beer goggles talking. I usually keep my eyes closed in the morning anyway. Better for all concerned. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/166 "2010-07-30T21:21:49Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > > [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > > > ]How does the decline in popularity of gin relate to that? Did gin become a sissy drink? Or was there some other reason (ie, vodka mixes with more stuff)? > > I’m not aware of any “sissy” connotations with gin. If anything, it’s perhaps a bit old-fashioned, may a little bit more of an old man drink, especially if drunk neat. If there’s a connotation I associate with gin, it’s that it’s the “alcoholic’s drink.” I’m not exactly sure where that impression comes from, but Googling suggests it’s not unique to me. i think he was asking why gin went out of vogue. i’m too young to know why, but i do know it’s making a comeback in a BIG way. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/167 "2010-07-30T21:27:32Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > i think he was asking why gin went out of vogue. i’m too young to know why, but i do know it’s making a comeback in a BIG way. He specifically asked “Did gin become a sissy drink?” so I was answering that part of the question. Or am I still missing something? And I do agree that it’s starting to make a comeback, or has been for the last three to five years, especially up-market gins. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/168 "2010-07-30T21:35:06Z")
As for why it went out of style, well, that should be pretty easy to answer if you’ve ever tasted gin. It’s a fairly piney, bitter, herbal drink that takes a bit of getting used to compared with rum, vodka, whiskey, even tequila. It seems to me that American tastes, in general, underwent a period of blandification through the, I dunno, 70s-90s (maybe starting earlier?), and have only been starting to react the other way in the last decade or so. What I don’t understand is the enormous surge in popularity of high-end vodkas in the last decade or so. (I should add, it seems to me this surge is pretty much over, and has been for a couple of years, but there was a period in the early 2000s where it was all about vodka.) I grew up in a Polish household, with vodka overflowing at every family event, and I still don’t understand the appeal of vodka as anything but a mixer or as a chaser to your pickled herring. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/169 "2010-07-30T21:43:15Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > No need for a buff and wax on my account. I love you just the way you are. But maybe that’s the beer goggles talking. It almost certainly is. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/170 "2010-07-30T22:18:25Z")
Just because it hasn’t been mentioned yet: what type of bar was this? More upscale, with wine list? Because if not, I would find this weird because in every bar I’ve ever been to, the brands of red and white wine they serve are the cheapest $9 crap you can get, and they charge more than a well drink for them. IOW, I would think “Why are those dudes drinking Sutter Home?!” ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/171 "2010-07-31T01:36:37Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > To you, a black republican is weird because you think most black people are democrats. To me, a black man drinking white wine is weird because I think most white wine drinkers are women. > > > > But somehow in your view your opinion is A-OK and mine is all kinds of wrong. What’s up with that? > > Is it weird to you because they’re black, or because they are men? Mainly because they are men. But I guess I perceive black men as generally being even more concerned about being perceived as girly than white men, so the fact that we are talking about black men does add some more strangeness to me. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/172 "2010-07-31T02:04:50Z")
just got back from happy hour. bought my (black) friend white wine spritzers. must’ve gotten him like, 4. bartender stopped me and asked me what the deal was? i asked her, what was more surprising? the fact that we’re guys, or that he’s black? she said both, but mostly because we’re both guys. i guess it skews the data because i’m asian, and it would have been more controlled if i were black as well. either way, i’m concluding the more surprising aspect of this scene is gender vs race. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/173 "2010-07-31T02:37:29Z")
There was this white girl who drove me home from work sometimes. She was from Howard Beach in Queens, New York. She lived among and worked with many, many black people-- me included. She even banged a married black guy from work-- so it wasn’t as if she was isolated and insulated or something. Anyway, she drove up my predominately black, yet very suburban block on Long Island and some kids were skateboarding. “Wow! I didn’t know black kids skateboarded! That’s like. . . Wow!” “Yeah,” says I, “Black kids skateboard and some of them played D&D and a lot of them play lacrosse and they eat mashed potatoes and fried chicken and pizza and ride bikes and. . . you know, we _are_ the same species.” Thing is, I knew she didn’t mean anything by it, but still-- what the fucking fuck? Three black guys drinking white wine in public-- how bizarre! They must have seen it in some video or something! ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/174 "2010-07-31T04:32:00Z")
[quote=“Biggirl, post:173, topic:548187”] There was this white girl who drove me home from work sometimes. She was from Howard Beach in Queens, New York. She lived among and worked with many, many black people-- me included. She even banged a married black guy from work-- so it wasn’t as if she was isolated and insulated or something. Anyway, she drove up my predominately black, yet very suburban block on Long Island and some kids were skateboarding. “Wow! I didn’t know black kids skateboarded! That’s like. . . Wow!” “Yeah,” says I, “Black kids skateboard and some of them played D&D and a lot of them play lacrosse and they eat mashed potatoes and fried chicken and pizza and ride bikes and. . . you know, we _are_ the same species.” Thing is, I knew she didn’t mean anything by it, but still-- what the fucking fuck? Three black guys drinking white wine in public-- how bizarre! They must have seen it in some video or something![/QUOTE I love black pussy but damn beyotch, you makin’ it so difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/175 "2010-07-31T04:47:38Z")
oh my god I am so sorry! I’m drinking with some friends and showed them this thread. Alex posted that last post as a joke from my bberry without knowing the sensitive nature of this subject matter. Please accept my apologies. I truly appreciate all members of this board and would never disrespect any of you in this way. If I get banned, please don’t think that this was me. Cheers. And enjoy your drink whether it be white wine or not. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/176 "2010-07-31T14:01:44Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > oh my god I am so sorry! I’m drinking with some friends and showed them this thread. Alex posted that last post as a joke from my bberry without knowing the sensitive nature of this subject matter. Please accept my apologies. I truly appreciate all members of this board and would never disrespect any of you in this way. If I get banned, please don’t think that this was me. Cheers. And enjoy your drink whether it be white wine or not. Were the friends three black guys drinking white wine? ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/177 "2010-07-31T15:23:28Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > > [@Contrapuntal](#): > > > > Well where else would you see anything about black men drinking wind? > > Yeah, that was a typo, but it made me think of another search: “Black men breaking wind” So far, no luck.😃 Here ya go: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm8d0xBYrws](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm8d0xBYrws) ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/178 "2010-07-31T15:37:38Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Mainly because they are men. But I guess I perceive black men as generally being even more concerned about being perceived as girly than white men, so the fact that we are talking about black men does add some more strangeness to me. You’re right. Black guys, far more so than other races, are all about being men’s men and keeping it real. _Throws hands in the air, waves 'em around like I just don’t care_ ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/179 "2010-07-31T15:39:25Z")
I feel so horrible this morning because of this freakin’ instigating idiot that wrote that from my username. I really should have logged out before handing out my phone, but I didn’t and really regret it. So I want to publicly apologize again. The whole point of all of my previous responses to **MeanOldLady** were to demonstrate that we should all be past making judgments based on age, and that discussing cultural and demographic drinking habits shouldn’t be perceived as a qualitative call on that race, and that a simple observation of a trend doesn’t automatically imply prejudice or bias. **MeanOldLady** : I’ve known for quite some time that our difference of opinion boils down to each of our individual experiences at bars, and our views on just how common white wine drinking is at bars. Truth be told, I would have noticed if the dudes were all Asian, Hispanic, and especially Indian (since that’s what I am) but they just happened to be black. I would have explained myself sooner but felt that it would be giving in to unwarranted implicit accusations. One of my many weaknesses is never backing down from a fight, and thus our back-and-forth continued too long. Ironically, an idiotic post from a f-ing moron posting from my account will bring it to an end, as far as I’m involved in this particular discussion. I will still discuss posts related to the original question, but our tangential “debate” is over as far as I’m concerned. Again, my apologies to both you and **Biggirl**. As I mentioned to you in the PM, the idiot was attempting to insult **MeanOldLady** and not **Biggirl** , not that it really matters but I just feel everyone deserves an exaplanation at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187/180 "2010-07-31T15:43:10Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > …judgments based on age… I meant race, although age applies as well. :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-men-drinking-white-wine/548187.md?page=10)