# Black Panther movie (Marvel Cinematic Universe) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [October 16, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050 "2017-10-16T13:44:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/341 "2018-03-12T04:45:59Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Yeah, it seemed like the only ones really ‘allowed’ to challenge on Challenge Day were the heads of the other clans. > [@Chronos](#): > > No, they asked each clan, and then they asked if there was anyone else of royal blood who wished to challenge, and then Shuri raised her hand… and complained about her corset, and then the gorilla guy issued his challenge. That part where Shuri raised her hand is where Killmonger would have come in. From appearances, it seemed that each tribal leader had the right to issue a challenge. But they were able to do so on behalf of somebody else. (We saw that each leader had a warrior standing next to them during the challenge.) Presumably if the warrior won, they would become the new king rather than the tribal leader who sponsored them (which is why M’Baku challenged T’Challa directly rather than having somebody else fight him). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/342 "2018-03-12T07:13:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Probably not a great idea to have two distinct characters in the same movie named Shuri and Zuri. This is the same movie that has T’challa succeed T’chaka, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/343 "2018-03-12T10:35:57Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > This is the same movie that has T’challa succeed T’chaka, yes? Who presumably succeeded T’Chajja, and obviously T’Challa’s son will be named T’Chamma. Keeps things simple that way. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/344 "2018-03-12T10:43:28Z")
M’Baku probably also fought on his own behalf because he was personally the mightiest warrior of his tribe. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/345 "2018-03-12T11:08:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Who presumably succeeded T’Chajja, and obviously T’Challa’s son will be named T’Chamma. Keeps things simple that way. Which means the very first of their line was T’Chaaaa. That’s awkward. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/346 "2018-03-12T11:52:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Probably not a great idea to have two distinct characters in the same movie named Shuri and Zuri. Hobbitses? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/347 "2018-03-12T12:29:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Probably not a great idea to have two distinct characters in the same movie named Shuri and Zuri. Somewhere in Africa: “There are Cusacks named John _and_ Joan? How are we supposed to tell them apart?” ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/348 "2018-03-12T15:18:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Somewhere in Africa: “There are Cusacks named John _and_ Joan? How are we supposed to tell them apart?” Not a very fair comparison, because those are the names of actual people, not fictional characters. If you were writing a movie intended for worldwide non-English-speaking audiences, would you include a pair of fictional siblings named John and Joan? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/349 "2018-03-12T15:27:32Z")
Humor: it is a thing. But the answer is: sure, why not? Particularly as one is male and one is female. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/350 "2018-03-12T15:32:30Z")
It can be a problem when you’re following dialogue. When T’challa says something like _“I need to talk to Suri”_ a listener in the audience is left wondering _“Wait…did he just say he was going to talk to Shuri or Zuri?”_ ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/351 "2018-03-12T16:08:24Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > Rhino Guy? Gorilla Guy? You guys didn’t _really_ have that much trouble keeping track of the names, did you? I remember T’Challa, Claw, Killmonger, and then it is mother, sister, father, Rhino Guy, Gorilla Guy, Lip guy, girlfriend, Forrest Whittaker, uncle, and Frodo. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/352 "2018-03-12T17:25:16Z")
Sh and Z sound nothing alike to me. And I don’t know why people are ragging on the film writers, both characters are named that in the comics. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/353 "2018-03-12T17:37:35Z")
This is without googling. T’Chaka- the dad. T’Challa - the Black Panter. Zuri - Forest Whittaker. Ramonda (?) the mom. Shuri - the sister. Nakia - the spy. Okoye - the Dora Milage General. M’Baku the head of the Jabari tribe. Rhino Guy/Get Out guy… something with a W? T’Chaka’s brother N’Jabu(?) But guess what? I never had any problem telling characters apart or understanding from context or story who they were referring to. Sometimes when audiences say things like “I couldn’t tell who was who” or “The names were hard to remember.” reall mean… “I wasn’t really paying attention.” ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/354 "2018-03-12T18:14:17Z")
I’ve just seen the film. Wasn’t Serkis a hoot? And Martin Freeman’s accent kept wandering; why couldn’t they have just said he worked for SIS and had the excuse for a few James Bond jokes? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/355 "2018-03-12T21:07:01Z")
I think that Okoye is referred to as “General” more often in the movie than as “Okoye”, anyway. And yeah, I didn’t have much trouble keeping track of them either, just not by name. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/356 "2018-03-12T21:26:54Z")
Oh yeah, keeping track of them as we watched is another matter entirely. I don’t think those of us who don’t remember their names had any trouble knowing who was the general who was itching to go fight outside their borders; who was the younger sister who was basically Q plus Einstein and Werner von Braun (plus more) wrapped into one; who was the medicine man; who was the leader of the breakaway tribe (calling him the “gorilla guy” makes me frankly uncomfortable given the racial implications)…etc. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/357 "2018-03-12T23:31:41Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Oh yeah, keeping track of them as we watched is another matter entirely. I don’t think those of us who don’t remember their names had any trouble knowing who was the general who was itching to go fight outside their borders; who was the younger sister who was basically Q plus Einstein and Werner von Braun (plus more) wrapped into one; who was the medicine man; who was the leader of the breakaway tribe (calling him the “gorilla guy” makes me frankly uncomfortable given the racial implications)…etc. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yeah, not knowing character names doesn’t interfere with the watching experience at all, barring some situation where there’s a dramatic moment with dialog like this: “I found out who the mole is… you won’t believe it” “Tell me who, I can take it” “It is… Joe” (fade to black) And we’re like “Wait, Joe… is that the brother? Or the lawyer? Or the guy at the bakery? WHICH ONE WAS JOE!!!” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/358 "2018-03-12T23:36:20Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Yeah, not knowing character names doesn’t interfere with the watching experience at all, barring some situation where there’s a dramatic moment with dialog like this: > > “I found out who the mole is… you won’t believe it” > “Tell me who, I can take it” > “It is… Joe” > (fade to black) > > And we’re like “Wait, Joe… is that the brother? Or the lawyer? Or the guy at the bakery? WHICH ONE WAS JOE!!!” Joe Mama, that’s who. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/359 "2018-03-12T23:43:20Z")
Keeping track of character names is one reason I always watch everything with subtitles on. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/360 "2018-03-13T06:54:29Z")
My wife prefers to do that, but I really dislike it. Partly because it messes up the cinematography; but mostly because I always find myself instinctively reading the dialogue before the actors say it, and it then comes across like they are just reciting lines rather than inhabiting the characters. Which of course is true, but it’s the same reason I don’t want the boom mic to be visible in the shot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050.md?page=19)