# Black Panther movie (Marvel Cinematic Universe) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [October 16, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050 "2017-10-16T13:44:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/41 "2017-10-17T23:02:14Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > Every move trying to reach a black audience has to be some christian crap… Slightly misleading user name there. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/42 "2017-10-18T00:21:31Z")
I have either one or two objections to the rap in the trailer. The possible-objection is if they chose it _just_ because the main character(s) is black. That doesn’t really make sense, because rap is fundamentally urban American music, and he’s not from urban America. But it’s also possible that that wasn’t there reason, and they just used it because it’s badass and they wanted something badass, and that’s fine. I don’t know what was going through their heads, so I don’t know if this is a valid objection or not. The other objection has nothing to do with the fact that it’s rap or that the characters are black. The other objection is just that both the backing music and the movie parts of the trailer have words, and those words are interfering with each other. This would have been avoided if they had left out most of the dialog, or if they had used an instrumental. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/43 "2017-10-18T01:05:40Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I have either one or two objections to the rap in the trailer. The possible-objection is if they chose it _just_ because the main character(s) is black. That doesn’t really make sense, because rap is fundamentally urban American music, and he’s not from urban America. But it’s also possible that that wasn’t there reason, and they just used it because it’s badass and they wanted something badass, and that’s fine. I don’t know what was going through their heads, so I don’t know if this is a valid objection or not. > > The other objection has nothing to do with the fact that it’s rap or that the characters are black. The other objection is just that both the backing music and the movie parts of the trailer have words, and those words are interfering with each other. This would have been avoided if they had left out most of the dialog, or if they had used an instrumental. …I’m pretty sure that James Gunn had a say in how the awesome Guardians trailer were cut, I’m pretty sure that the 80’s vibe and the graphics for the Thor trailer has “Taika Waititi” all over it, so I think the assumption that the music was chosen “because the main character was black” to not only be unreasonable, but pretty damn insulting. Do you really think that Ryan Coogler would roll over on something like that? As for the rap having words: well, that what rap is. Take the words away from the rap and you don’t have rap. Take the words away, make it an instrumental…and you have a completely different trailer. A trailer that might not offend your sensibilities: but a trailer that doesn’t project the artistic vision the director has for this movie. Both the Guardians and the Thor trailers have the directors stamp all over them. If this trailer doesn’t work for you because of the music: then maybe the movie won’t work for you either. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/44 "2017-10-18T02:19:36Z")
When I said that, I had no idea who was involved in making the trailers. That’s part of why I said that I didn’t know what the reasoning was. Again, if that wasn’t the reasoning, then I’m not offended by it. > [@](#): > > Take the words away, make it an instrumental…and you have a completely different trailer. A trailer that might not offend your sensibilities: but a trailer that doesn’t project the artistic vision the director has for this movie. Yes, it’d be a different trailer. It’d be better. This trailer doesn’t project the director’s artistic vision, either, because the director’s artistic vision keeps on getting interrupted by some other guy. This has nothing to do with whether the movie will work for me, because the movie won’t (I presume) have the soundtrack butting in on dialog, like the trailer does. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/45 "2017-10-18T03:02:40Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > This is why I’m begging that this movie be good. I’m sick of hearing that black people can’t carry a mainstream movie. > > I’m black and I fucking hate Tyler Perry’s ilk. I’ve never watched Empire or Power. Every move trying to reach a black audience has to be some christian crap or goddamned criminals. Someone’s never seen Naked. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/46 "2017-10-18T08:39:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > When I said that, I had no idea who was involved in making the trailers. That’s part of why I said that I didn’t know what the reasoning was. Again, if that wasn’t the reasoning, then I’m not offended by it. …what is this: Schrödinger’s reasoning? If they don’t do this incredibly offensive thing for these offensive reasons you won’t be offended by it? Well thanks for sharing this incredibly obvious thing. > [@](#): > > Yes, it’d be a different trailer. It’d be better. Naaaaaaaah. It was awesome just as it was. > [@](#): > > This trailer doesn’t project the director’s artistic vision, either, because the director’s artistic vision keeps on getting interrupted by some other guy. Was it getting interrupted as well during this trailer? Or this one? Because I'm not seeing much of a difference. Words...dialog...mixed together...is it just rappers you have problems understanding? > [@](#): > > This has nothing to do with whether the movie will work for me, because the movie won’t (I presume) have the soundtrack butting in on dialog, like the trailer does. The soundtrack “butted in on the dialog” as much as any soundtrack butts into a trailer dialog. If it didn’t work for you then I’m sure the producers of the trailer will get over it. But the trailer worked perfectly fine for me. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/47 "2017-10-18T10:50:42Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > If this trailer doesn’t work for you because of the music: then maybe the movie won’t work for you either. Trailer totally works for me, and any song that didn’t come from a place of deep radicalism woulda worked. That particular bit, though…I dunno, really? The revolution will not be televised, to sell your multi-million dollar blockbuster? Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/48 "2017-10-18T15:24:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Trailer totally works for me, and any song that didn’t come from a place of deep radicalism woulda worked. That particular bit, though…I dunno, really? The revolution will not be televised, to sell your multi-million dollar blockbuster? Okay. I’m probably thinking waaaayyyy too much about it but… Do you think that lyric could represent the hidden nature of Wakanda? There is a technological wonderland hidden right under our noses and we’re not seeing it. Wakanda is the revolution and it not being televised is us not noticing? ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/49 "2017-10-18T16:05:20Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > Can I interest you in _Girl’s Trip_? I’ve never done you harm that I know of. 🙂 > [@Miller](#): > > Slightly misleading user name there. > > 😃 A holdover from my more militant atheist days. I’ve mellowed now. Mostly. > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Someone’s never seen Naked. I have not. Got a link that won’t get me fired? ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/50 "2017-10-18T17:33:39Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > I’ve never done you harm that I know of. 🙂 Of all the responses to my post that I’d anticipated… this was not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/51 "2017-10-18T17:55:22Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > Of all the responses to my post that I’d anticipated… this was not one of them. I can be a sexist, male, chauvinist pig, but it’s not my natural state, I have to work at it. 😃 and crude, shouldn’t forget that. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/52 "2017-10-18T19:19:16Z")
> [@G0sp3l](#): > > I can be a sexist, male, chauvinist pig, but it’s not my natural state, I have to work at it. 😃 > > and crude, shouldn’t forget that. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is _not_ a porn star! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/53 "2017-10-18T23:26:05Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I’m probably thinking waaaayyyy too much about it but… > > Do you think that lyric could represent the hidden nature of Wakanda? There is a technological wonderland hidden right under our noses and we’re not seeing it. Wakanda is the revolution and it not being televised is us not noticing? Mmm…I’m not sure it’s so literal. I took it to be a super-hip self-reference to the actually laudable fact that this movie is both Afrocentric and African-American-Centric, calling on a famous bit of AA culture. For me it backfired, though, just reminded me of how it’s not revolutionary but a bit of profiteering done right. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/54 "2018-02-06T19:51:27Z")
Reviews are out of this world – as of this post, Rotten Tomatoes has 51 reviews, all positive (and mostly glowingly positive, from what I can see), at 100%: [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black\_panther\_2018](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_panther_2018) ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/55 "2018-02-06T21:20:13Z")
This will, without a doubt, be the most profitable Marvel movie to date and has a real chance of being the most all time. Everyone is going to see it. The nerds who love this stuff, the movie-goers who are this far into it, the black crowd, men, women, kids…everyone. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/56 "2018-02-07T09:15:11Z")
How do you figure this one will be the most profitable, except that each one generally makes progressively more money? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/57 "2018-02-07T10:53:14Z")
Who knows about any movie’s profitability, given their hinky accounting? I think the point is that it should make big box office, and be the Black Wonder Woman - i.e., showing the tentpole power of a movie featuring a non-white guy hero that celebrates this new hero’s identity and is also a great movie. The New York Times _loves_ it. Funny - they throw a little side-eye, mentioning that Black Panther was first cameo’d in a “forgettable Captain America: Civil War.” ETA: and like Wonder Woman, the NYTimes points out the similarities - a young royal leaving their Eden-like homeland to engage the world and having to deal with a leadership role at home. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/58 "2018-02-07T11:36:37Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > ETA: and like Wonder Woman, the NYTimes points out the similarities - a young royal leaving their Eden-like homeland to engage the world and having to deal with a leadership role at home. Does this one have Arsenio Hall and Darth Vader? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/59 "2018-02-07T11:51:37Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Does this one have Arsenio Hall and Darth Vader? Hey, if T’Challa visits Queens, he can hang out with Peter Parker. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050/60 "2018-02-07T15:29:39Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > How do you figure this one will be the most profitable, except that each one generally makes progressively more money? Because I think it will make every more money than future movies will. Save for the next 2 Avengers movies, I think it will make more than all previous marvel movies and will make more than future non-Avengers ones (The new Ant Man for example) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie-marvel-cinematic-universe/799050.md?page=4)