# Black Panther movie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075 "2018-02-18T20:07:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/421 "2018-03-08T19:22:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Hoo boy. This is exactly the kind of romanticization I was talking about. Never mind the stats Steven Pinker has recently been touting showing that violence in the modern West, even factoring in WWI and WWII, is far lower than in those supposedly peaceful primeval indigenous societies. Not sure what type of romanticization you are talking about here. You are comparing modern society to primitive society. You cannot compare the two. People used to do many things that are now considered to be fairly anti-social, as it was what was necessary to survive. When it is no longer to do those things to survive, you cannot judge others because they are still doing what they need to survive. As far as Pinker, “[Rosy worldviews that rely on avoiding inconvenient truths should always set alarm bells ringing](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/07/environmental-calamity-facts-steven-pinker)”. He talks a good game, but his “research” is criticized as "draw[ing] on anecdote, cherry-picking and discredited talking points " > [@](#): > > And Europe didn’t build, only destroyed? Sure, I suppose if you don’t include power plants and trains and seafaring ships and canals and bridges and tunnels and banking systems and universities and modern hospitals and skyscrapers and textiles and plastics and precision manufacturing and mass production and automobiles and airplanes; and as long as you don’t include anything else they have built in the past century. :rolleyes: Did I say that Europe didn’t build, only destroyed? If I had, you might have a point. As I did not, you may want to rethink your entire response there. > [@](#): > > excuse me, I need to wipe off these flecks of spittle you sprayed on me from your enraged maw.) Just so you know, that’s not actually how it works. If there are flecks of spittle that you need to clean up, they came from you, unless we have developed spittle transport protocol since I last took the Network+ exam. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/422 "2018-03-08T21:00:53Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > There it is: more hairsplitting. What I’m talking about is how that “crowd” throws a fit every time they hear about an acquittal of an accused rapist, or a prosecutor deciding not to prosecute someone who has been accused of rape. The presumption of innocence just does not register with this “crowd”. Do I really need to find a cite for you on this? What will you give me if I find five cites from Twitter? I find it a bit annoying to be assigned busywork for something we all know is true. This is reminiscent of the **HoneyBadgerDC** thread. “This stereotype I created and am perpetuating must be true, or else why would it exist?” Look, you might not know this, but for most of US history, rape was incredibly hard to prove legally (by design) and the victim, even if able to successfuly prove harm, faced shunning equal to or greater than that faced by her attacker. If people are more likely to believe accusers now, it is a good thing. Rape is still very much under-reported, and we have no reason at all to believe that false reporting is more than 2-3%, in line with other crimes. As someone whose job it is to investigate rape on college campuses, I can tell you that I have NEVER run into a false report. Even if a rape didn’'t occur, every accuser I have dealt with held a sincere belief that they had been victimized, and there was enough gray area there to justify that belief. And, as near as I can tell, we haven’t lowered the burden of proof for criminal liability. So I don’t think that you are comparing like groups AT ALL. So the question is, why do the sterotypes and caricatures you consistently promote exist? Oh, that’s right, you use them to justify views that otherwise even you would recoil from. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/423 "2018-03-08T22:02:57Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > BTW, I think you were trying to use the “i’s” as sort of a pictorial backdrop for the name “andy”, but every single time I read one of your posts, it reads to me as “eye-eye-andy-eye-eye-eye-eye”, like I actually hear those sounds in my head. Just FYI I see it as: Aye aye Andy four eyes Someone named Andy who wears glasses and is/was in the navy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/424 "2018-03-08T22:07:23Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > I see it as: Aye aye Andy four eyes > Someone named Andy who wears glasses and is/was in the navy. 😃 This is amazingly accurate (my name is Andy, I wear glasses, and I’m a Navy vet), but not actually the origin of the username. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/425 "2018-03-09T08:22:03Z")
Sorry, I thought this had posted last night, stupid browser… > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Oh jeez. I’ve conceded that I should bow to the obviously far more encyclopedic knowledge base of others on this thread when it comes to Marvel comics continuity This, of course, doesn’t address your ignorance about Japanese culture, or the colonial history of the Khoisan (or how to even spell their name). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/426 "2018-03-09T10:58:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > 😃 This is amazingly accurate (my name is Andy, I wear glasses, and I’m a Navy vet), but not actually the origin of the username. I’ve always read it as “ii and yiiii!”, as in a comically exaggerated expression of surprise/dismay/incredulity, possibly spoken with a stereotypical Mexican accent. Or that you’re just fond of lowercase Roman numerals. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/427 "2018-03-09T16:16:47Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’ve always read it as “ii and yiiii!”, as in a comically exaggerated expression of surprise/dismay/incredulity, possibly spoken with a stereotypical Mexican accent. > > Or that you’re just fond of lowercase Roman numerals. Ok, my guess: he’s third oldest in a group of seven siblings. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/428 "2018-03-09T17:20:29Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > Ok, my guess: he’s third oldest in a group of seven siblings. No, 2nd of 2. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/429 "2018-03-10T21:48:11Z")
Watching that “Avengers” clip, Hulk says “Puny god” in a pretty low voice. I only saw it the once in the theatre, with my son; so I’m assuming everyone was laughing and he and I were probably looking at each other. BTW, I can’t help but notice that Loki too seems to think he is a god rather than a space alien. I will also be curious as to what type of sci-fi technology as opposed to a magic enchantments allows a hammer to be set on our coffee table without breaking it, but beings with the strength to lift many tons of weight cannot budge it from there. And that’s not even getting into the inscription about being “worthy” which is very non-sci-fi and very much like a magic enchantment. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Sorry, I thought this had posted last night, stupid browser… BAHAHAHAHAH! Now who’s having the senior moment? Reminds me of my mom: “I can’t figure out this newfangled computer. I think the chips are broken!” (Actual quote, LOL, without perhaps the “newfangled” part…in fact, the Num Lock was on.) > [@MrDibble](#): > > This, of course, doesn’t address your ignorance about Japanese culture, or the colonial history of the Khoisan (or how to even spell their name). Not ignorant about Japanese culture. I may not know as much as my good friend who was also a history major at the same school I was (though he got the degree and I didn’t) and who specialized in East Asian history while I concentrated on the modern West. But I’d match my knowledge of Japanese culture against 99% of Americans without Asian ancestry. As for the Khoisan, you cannot really misspell the name of a people with no written language, as long as you make a reasonable approximation. (That’s my arrogant Western attitude, anyway.) And I’m pretty sure my dad had a “!” in there somewhere back in the ‘80s. 😛 > [@Stonebow](#): > > This is reminiscent of the **HoneyBadgerDC** thread. “This stereotype I created and am perpetuating must be true, or else why would it exist?” > > Look, you might not know this, but for most of US history, rape was incredibly hard to prove legally (by design) and the victim, even if able to successfuly prove harm, faced shunning equal to or greater than that faced by her attacker. If people are more likely to believe accusers now, it is a good thing. Rape is still very much under-reported, and we have no reason at all to believe that false reporting is more than 2-3%, in line with other crimes. > > As someone whose job it is to investigate rape on college campuses, I can tell you that I have NEVER run into a false report. Not too surprised, given what is defined as “rape” on campuses these days. But as long as we are talking about personal experiences, mine is different. My best friend in college had his life ruined by a false rape allegation, which indirectly led to his death. And the accuser had her identity protected by anonymity, so she never suffered any consequences for her malicious false report. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/430 "2018-03-11T08:30:46Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Watching that “Avengers” clip, Hulk says “Puny god” in a pretty low voice. I only saw it the once in the theatre, with my son; so I’m assuming everyone was laughing and he and I were probably looking at each other. Jesus fucking Shub-Niggurath on a pennyfarthing, is \*that \*best you can do? Just own up to being generally inattentive, the same way you read Wikipedia, man. Don’t blame your own _son_. That’s just not classy. > [@](#): > > BTW, I can’t help but notice that Loki too seems to think he is a god rather than a space alien. Yeah, trust the Trickster, that’s _always_ sound policy…:rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I will also be curious as to what type of sci-fi technology as opposed to a magic enchantments allows a hammer to be set on our coffee table without breaking it, but beings with the strength to lift many tons of weight cannot budge it from there. And that’s not even getting into the inscription about being “worthy” which is very non-sci-fi and very much like a magic enchantment. How can a beam of light just terminate in mid-air? How can a ship cross the galaxy in a day? How can a black rock raise a primate to sentience? Where are the explanations for these things we know to be impossible or improbable? “Science Fiction” is not the same thing as “Science”. “Your ancestors called it magic and you call it science. Well, I come from a place where they’re one and the same thing” > [@](#): > > BAHAHAHAHAH! Now who’s having the senior moment? This website, apparently. It turns out it gave a 503 after I clicked send and walked off for the night. That you think “failure at new tech” is in the same as “dementia” is amusing. Your poor mother. > [@](#): > > Not ignorant about Japanese culture. You are if you think they’re all that unique. “Sui generis”, you said. I was unaware that was a synonym for “derivative” > [@](#): > > But I’d match my knowledge of Japanese culture against 99% of Americans without Asian ancestry. Why the fuck would a Pakistani-American be expected to know about Japanese history? Are you just lumping all Asians together, you racist fuck? And no, “fapping to hentai” is not “knowledge of Japanese culture”, you perv. > [@](#): > > As for the Khoisan, you cannot really misspell the name of a people with no written language Ignorant bullshit. Learn what an orthography is, you ignoramus. And the fucking nerve of you, suggesting the Khoisan are illiterate. Khoekhoen is used to teach fucking university courses in Namibia, you vile scum. > [@](#): > > , as long as you make a reasonable approximation What you typed was in no way a “reasonable approximation”, _ **because there’s no fucking click in the word** _, dumb-ass. > [@](#): > > And I’m pretty sure my dad had a “!” in there somewhere back in the ‘80s. Then I have bad news for you, it turns out the Dunning-Kruger is inherited. Or you don’t remember the 80s very accurately, which would be consistent for you. > [@](#): > > But as long as we are talking about personal experiences, mine is different. My best friend in college had his life ruined by a false rape allegation, which indirectly led to his death. And the accuser had her identity protected by anonymity, so she never suffered any consequences for her malicious false report. True story, bro! ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/431 "2018-03-11T10:20:03Z")
C’mon, Dibbles: if we’re going to spar, you’ve got to give me something to work with. That amounted to “You suck and you’re a liar”. What can I do with that? “Nuh uh, I’m awesome and not a liar!” Um, okay. There you go. Now what? :dubious: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/432 "2018-03-11T11:16:46Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > C’mon, Dibbles: if we’re going to spar, you’ve got to give me something to work with. That amounted to “You suck and you’re a liar”. What can I do with that? “Nuh uh, I’m awesome and not a liar!” Um, okay. There you go. Now what? :dubious: Well, it’s also that we only have your word and assumptions about your friend’s innocence as well, so how is it supposed to change anyone’s mind or counter the statistics? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/433 "2018-03-11T11:47:50Z")
My experience is anecdotal as far as that goes: I provided it in response to someone else’s personal experience. It certainly has a strong effect on me, though: I wasn’t kidding that he was my best friend. In any case, I don’t think the statistics need “countering”. I suspect 3% is likely on the low side, but let’s take it as accurate for the sake of argument. Is it okay to screw over a few innocents with a blanket “believe all uncorroborated accusers” policy? Would you spin the wheel and take a 1-in-33 chance of being publicly shamed as a rapist (leaving aside any legal jeopardy, since my friend was investigated by the police but not prosecuted)? I wouldn’t take that chance for a billion dollars. You’re talking about something slightly more likely than rolling two dice and getting snake eyes. Not exactly winning Powerball levels of rarity. I do find it interesting that every time I’ve talked online about what happened to my friend Tom, the most common reaction is that I’m probably wrong to say he was innocent. Which goes to show what a lie it is to say we live in a society where rape is tolerated, where even rapists with lots of evidence against them are assumed to be innocent. Perhaps that’s true to some extent in very ambiguous situations for certain well-liked “alpha” types. Tom wore thick “Coke bottle” lenses and had a slight speech impediment, which made him read to a lot of people who didn’t know him well as “creepy” or “weird”, when in fact he was one of the most honest, good-natured, generous, and laid-back people I’ve ever known. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/434 "2018-03-11T11:56:27Z")
I would add that the “believe accusers” principle is not only theoretically unsound in a civil libertarian society (IMO), it also breaks down in practical terms when it comes to the many young black men who are railroaded by our criminal justice system (recall, that was how we got to this tangent). A white person sees a crime from across the street at night, describes a young black man. The police bring in a lineup, the witness picks one that looks the closest, and off to the slammer he goes. So it’s certainly highly “problematic”, as the “woke crowd” (TWC) would say, to keep throwing black men in prison based on a single person’s testimony. What, then? “Believe all accusers of white men?” TWC knows better than to articulate this out loud; more generously, they may not even believe it if they are pushed to take this line of reasoning to its logical extent. But if the dots are not connected too explicitly, this is what it comes down to. In some hazy way, it comes down to an idea of group “justice” or retribution. Lots of straight white men have screwed over everyone else for hundreds of years; let’s let them get a little taste of “their” own medicine for a while. The problem being that it’s not the same individuals, and thus it’s fundamentally unfair. If progressivism doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be punished for characteristics you were born with and cannot change, what does it mean? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/435 "2018-03-11T12:26:54Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > That amounted to “You suck and you’re a liar”. If _that’s_ all you take away from that entire post, yeah, I think your reading incomprehension is getting worse. No defense of your awesome 1 percenter Japanology skills? No explanation for why just \*being \*Asian-American has any bearing on knowing Japanese history? Not even enough of a sack to stand up for your own Dad’s supposed doctoral-level anthropology cred? Well, we’ve already seen you throw your own son and mom under the bus in your flailing, so there’s that. Just “No, U!”? That’s as pathetic as your shoddy memory and pitiful reading skills. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/436 "2018-03-11T12:51:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I do find it interesting that every time I’ve talked online about what happened to my friend Tom, the most common reaction is that I’m probably wrong to say he was innocent. Which goes to show what a lie it is to say we live in a society where rape is tolerated, where even rapists with lots of evidence against them are assumed to be innocent. Online is not the real world and the justice system. Tons of rapes go unreported, much less unprosecuted. Tons of rapists get away with it. If victims were actually treated respectfully and fairly, this wouldn’t be the case. Unless you were there in the room, how could you know, factually, whether your friend was innocent or not? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/437 "2018-03-11T12:54:41Z")
Not just doctoral level: his B.A. and Ph.D. were from Stanford! I only really realized how impressive that was after he died. BTW, just because it’s a pet peeve (my wife, a fairly learned personage her own self with a Phi Beta Kappa key and two graduate degrees from respected public universities, does this all the time, so don’t feel bad): “dad” is not capitalized in that context. The following two sentences demonstrate correct usage: “My dad could beat up your dad.” “Hey, Mom, will you ask Dad if he ate my yogurt?” HTH Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/438 "2018-03-11T13:41:40Z")
I’m sorry, you think the _alma mater_ of your _Dad_ is supposed to impress here? When his son is either too cowardly for, or incapable of, addressing the actual substance of posts and sticks with grammar nitpicks? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/439 "2018-03-11T14:13:14Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I do find it interesting that every time I’ve talked online about what happened to my friend Tom, the most common reaction is that I’m probably wrong to say he was innocent. Which goes to show that people generally think you’re an idiot who doesn’t understand the world around him and who is, based on what they know about you, likely to ignore evidence in favor of believing that his best friend is a rapist. > [@](#): > > what a lie it is to say we live in a society where rape is tolerated, where even rapists with lots of evidence against them are assumed to be innocent. I ended that sentence WAY more accurately than you did. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/440 "2018-03-11T14:43:54Z")
Occam’s razor. There are far more male rapists than there are women willing to lie about being raped. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075.md?page=23)