# Black Panther movie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075 "2018-02-18T20:07:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/41 "2018-02-19T07:25:52Z")
Octopus is the Carl Spackler of the pit. Standing at the deep end of a freshly drained pool… except that ain’t no Baby Ruth he’s biting into. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/42 "2018-02-19T08:05:40Z")
Well, it makes a change from him defending racebaiting troll shitstains in ATMB… ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/43 "2018-02-19T08:19:15Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Repeated for truth. If you’re going to claim a superhero movie somehow justifies a president being a racist fuck, try not to quote one of the bad guys. …Let me say one thing as devil’s advocate: this movie does an excellent job of steelmanning the anti-refugee, closed-borders position. _Seriously_! W’Kabi is not really one of the good guys, but his position is not painted as obviously evil (unlike, say, Killmonger). Instead, we’re made to clearly understand that the reason behind this conflict is because it is a _legitimately_ hard question, one that the nation has struggled with in the past. And while I am glad the movie ended the way it did, the position of “keep Wakanda hidden” is made to make… sense. It offers _some_ insight into why so many people favor the “closed borders” position, even if it comes down on the opposite side. Not that the OP is any less of a stupid troll, but part of why the movie is so great is that the bad guys are relatable and understandable, and not cartoon villains - except Claw, and he’s a really really _good_ cartoon villain, and clearly painted as such. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/44 "2018-02-19T10:23:47Z")
> [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > “Refugees bring their problems with them” > -Black Panther > > ‘Black Panther’ Continues To Make B.O. History: $195M+ > > “Refugees bring their problems with them” > -President Trump > > Trump denounced as a racist and xenophobe. Great. Another white boy for us to fix. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/45 "2018-02-19T10:41:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I can’t think of a reason why I should. You think name calling and vulgarity are incentives? You have a strange conception of how best to interact with others. Nasty, bitter, old hag. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/46 "2018-02-19T14:30:49Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Personally, I think that using an insult like “potty mouth” in the Pit comes across rather like bringing a water pistol to a shootout. If you don’t feel like swearing in a Pit thread, it’s more effective to go the neutral-nation route and just loftily ignore all the cussing by other people while refraining from indulging in it yourself. Still, if “potty mouth” really is **octopus** ’s epithet of choice, the Pit is the place for him to use it. Actually, I suggested it to him, since he reminded me of a character from Boston Legal who called one of the attorneys “Mr. Dirty Mouth.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/47 "2018-02-19T15:26:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You have a strange conception of how best to interact with others. The irony, it burns. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Ji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Shin\_Ji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Ji)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/48 "2018-02-19T16:46:07Z")
Wasn’t T’Challa (the Black Panther) who said that anyway. It was his brother W’Kabi. T’Challa ends the movie (minor spoilers) taking about how the wise build bridges, while the foolish make barriers. Not that I’d expect someone like OP to distinguish between two Black people. Movie must have been a confusing blur for him! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/49 "2018-02-19T16:49:05Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Great. Another white boy for us to fix. Thank you! For reminding me of this line. I died in the theater when Shuri said that… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/50 "2018-02-19T16:52:50Z")
Oh, my god! I JUST realized that that line was foreshadowing of the reveal at the end-of-credits scene! ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/51 "2018-02-19T16:55:14Z")
Since refugees could be of any race, the line might be more properly regarded as xenophobic rather than racist. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/52 "2018-02-19T17:06:06Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > And fuck you with an exploding dildo… [Moderating] Don’t say “fuck you” to other posters. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/53 "2018-02-19T17:16:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I can’t think of a reason why I should. You think name calling and vulgarity are incentives? You have a strange conception of how best to interact with others. Everyone’s just kidding, we really want you to stuck around and help set us straight. And we won’t use bad words if you don’t like it. Okay stoopnagel? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/54 "2018-02-19T17:18:42Z")
The really ironic thing is that, at some point in the future of the MCU, the mostly-black Wakandans are likely to be welcoming a group of mostly-white Asgardian refugees. Who, let’s face it, probably will bring problems with them, and it’ll still be the right decision to let them in. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/55 "2018-02-19T18:45:35Z")
Love how this moron completely missed the entire point of the movie because someone said something that seemed to support Trump. Did you miss this quote “Wise men build bridges, fools build barriers”? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/56 "2018-02-19T19:10:53Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/57 "2018-02-19T19:50:40Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Love how this moron completely missed the entire point of the movie because someone said something that seemed to support Trump. Did you miss this quote “Wise men build bridges, fools build barriers”? You’re assuming that OP actually saw the movie and didn’t just hear about the quote from @ten\_gop ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/58 "2018-02-19T20:13:22Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The really ironic thing is that, at some point in the future of the MCU, the mostly-black Wakandans are likely to be welcoming a group of mostly-white Asgardian refugees. By the way, is there any particular reason why Heimdall is depicted as black in the movies? If any character might be depicted as non-white, it should be Loki, since he’s not actually Aesir. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/59 "2018-02-19T20:24:14Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > By the way, is there any particular reason why Heimdall is depicted as black in the movies? > > If any character might be depicted as non-white, it should be Loki, since he’s not actually Aesir. Because they’re not really the Norse gods? They’re an advanced alien race that might just happen to include dark-skinned individuals, like Heimdall and Brunnhilde? ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/60 "2018-02-19T20:26:07Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > By the way, is there any particular reason why Heimdall is depicted as black in the movies? > > If any character might be depicted as non-white, it should be Loki, since he’s not actually Aesir. I don’t know if anyone from Marvel Studios has ever commented on this, but I always assumed it was because Stringer Bell, I mean, Idris Elba, kicks ass.🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075.md?page=4)