# Black Panther movie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075 "2018-02-18T20:07:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/61 "2018-02-19T20:30:27Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > By the way, is there any particular reason why Heimdall is depicted as black in the movies? I don’t believe there is any in-MCU reason other than because the actor is. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/62 "2018-02-19T21:37:45Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Oh, my god! I JUST realized that that line was foreshadowing of the reveal at the end-of-credits scene! Awesome, isn’t it? And now I ship them. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/63 "2018-02-19T21:38:45Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Because they’re not really the Norse gods? They’re an advanced alien race that might just happen to include dark-skinned individuals, like Heimdall and Brunnhilde? And Valkyrie. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/64 "2018-02-19T21:41:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And Valkyrie. The Thor 3 Valkyrie is canonically named Brunnhilde. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/65 "2018-02-19T21:51:19Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Awesome, isn’t it? And now I ship them. 🙂 wait… which ‘them’ ? Shuri… and Bucky? not a chance. Shuri is going to meet Banner for the first time and be IN HEAVEN. A sweet nerdy brainiac AND a science project!! If you’re going to break up the Sacred Threesome (Cap, Bucky, & Widow) it’ll be because Bucky falls for The General (Okoye) cause she kicks his pale sunburnt ass straight sideways without breaking a sweat. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/66 "2018-02-19T22:08:17Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Because they’re not really the Norse gods? They’re an advanced alien race that might just happen to include dark-skinned individuals, like Heimdall and Brunnhilde? My understanding is that in the Marvel Universe the Asgardians came into contact with the ancient Norse and became worshiped by them as gods. So yes, in the Marvel Universe the Asgardians actually _are_ the Norse gods (although they are really aliens whose characteristics and technology make them appear to be divine). And AFAIK the Norse regarded their gods as looking pretty much like them. > [@JohnM](#): > > I don’t know if anyone from Marvel Studios has ever commented on this, but I always assumed it was because Stringer Bell, I mean, Idris Elba, kicks ass.🙂 > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I don’t believe there is any in-MCU reason other than because the actor is. Yeah, that’s what I figured. I was just wondering if there was anything more to it than that. Besides Loki, Hogun the Grim, as non-Aesir, has an in-Universe reason to be depicted as racially different, as he is. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/67 "2018-02-19T22:38:38Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > wait… which ‘them’ ? > > Shuri… and Bucky? > not a chance. Shuri is going to meet Banner for the first time and be IN HEAVEN. A sweet nerdy brainiac AND a science project!! > > If you’re going to break up the Sacred Threesome (Cap, Bucky, & Widow) it’ll be because Bucky falls for The General (Okoye) cause she kicks his pale sunburnt ass straight sideways without breaking a sweat. The one whose butt I want to see kicked is Tony Stark’s, when Shuri shows him what a real tech nerd looks like. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/68 "2018-02-19T23:27:12Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > wait… which ‘them’ ? > > Shuri… and Bucky? > not a chance. Shuri is going to meet Banner for the first time and be IN HEAVEN. A sweet nerdy brainiac AND a science project!! He’s also nearly three times her age. No, we all know that Peter Parker is the boy for her. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/69 "2018-02-20T01:16:51Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > They were out when star wars had the audacity to have a black lead character. > > Misogynists were out about Wonder Woman. > > It’s to be expected anytime a movie comes out that doesn’t reinforce the white male as the only character worth having. Women can’t fight ghosts! :rolleyes: I’m beginning to think that the big thing about representation isn’t about being able to see yourself in the role of hero - its about being able to see someone else in the role of hero. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/70 "2018-02-20T01:20:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The one whose butt I want to see kicked is Tony Stark’s, when Shuri shows him what a real tech nerd looks like. concur - an iron suit? how quaint. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/71 "2018-02-20T01:38:15Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > wait… which ‘them’ ? > > Shuri… and Bucky? > not a chance. Shuri is going to meet Banner for the first time and be IN HEAVEN. A sweet nerdy brainiac AND a science project!! > > If you’re going to break up the Sacred Threesome (Cap, Bucky, & Widow) it’ll be because Bucky falls for The General (Okoye) cause she kicks his pale sunburnt ass straight sideways without breaking a sweat. Besides, Bucky’s true love is Cap and Cap’s true love in Bucky - aren’t you guys up on your’shipping? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/72 "2018-02-20T01:45:29Z")
> [@simster](#): > > concur - an iron suit? how quaint. It is a titanium gold alloy. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/73 "2018-02-20T02:17:52Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > It is a titanium gold alloy. yeah - but he can’t (yet) wear it as bling around his neck. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/74 "2018-02-20T04:34:10Z")
> [@simster](#): > > yeah - but he can’t (yet) wear it as bling around his neck. As I recall (it’s been a long damn while) his was tucked into a hoverbot and summoned by a couple of blingy bracelets, or alternatively, key sections were built into a rolex and his designer aviators. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/75 "2018-02-20T08:41:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The one whose butt I want to see kicked is Tony Stark’s, when Shuri shows him what a real tech nerd looks like. I had exactly the same thought. She could easily upgrade all his tech, if it weren’t for the fact that he’s kind of a dick. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/76 "2018-02-20T12:07:17Z")
In Tony’s defense, he doesn’t have access to a supply of vibranium, which apparently can do anything and everything. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/77 "2018-02-20T15:48:30Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > In Tony’s defense, he doesn’t have access to a supply of vibranium, which apparently can do anything and everything. Vibranium is the [Applied Phlebotinum](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum) of the MCU. Once they combine that with the Pym particle and a little Kree genetic engineering for magic superpowers, it’ll make Infinity Stones look like party favors in comparison. Dr. Strange will be relegated to appearances at children’s birthday celebrations to show his ‘tricks’. Well, Asgardian children, anyway. MCU Phase Four: Where Are They Now? Oh, and the actress who plays Shuri is cute as hell, and I’ve love seeing her match wits with Tony Stark. “You made a gram of vibranium in your basement and ised it to make a microfusion reactor? We mine vibranium by the ton and use it to produce limitless energy and fantastical indestructible technology that makes your ‘suits’ look sick, Tin Man.” Stranger ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/78 "2018-02-20T16:12:45Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Vibranium is the [Applied Phlebotinum](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum) of the MCU. Once they combine that with the Pym particle and a little Kree genetic engineering for magic superpowers, it’ll make Infinity Stones look like party favors in comparison. Dr. Strange will be relegated to appearances at children’s birthday celebrations to show his ‘tricks’. Well, Asgardian children, anyway. > > MCU Phase Four: Where Are They Now? > > Oh, and the actress who plays Shuri is cute as hell, and I’ve love seeing her match wits with Tony Stark. “You made a gram of vibranium in your basement and ised it to make a microfusion reactor? We mine vibranium by the ton and use it to produce limitless energy and fantastical indestructible technology that makes your ‘suits’ look sick, Tin Man.” > > Stranger To be fair, creating an element is more work than mining it. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/79 "2018-02-20T16:18:07Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Vibranium is the [Applied Phlebotinum](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum) of the MCU. Once they combine that with the Pym particle and a little Kree genetic engineering for magic superpowers, it’ll make Infinity Stones look like party favors in comparison. Dr. Strange will be relegated to appearances at children’s birthday celebrations to show his ‘tricks’. Well, Asgardian children, anyway. > > MCU Phase Four: Where Are They Now? > > Oh, and the actress who plays Shuri is cute as hell, and I’ve love seeing her match wits with Tony Stark. “You made a gram of vibranium in your basement and ised it to make a microfusion reactor? We mine vibranium by the ton and use it to produce limitless energy and fantastical indestructible technology that makes your ‘suits’ look sick, Tin Man.” > > Stranger Tony: I want one Pepper: No. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075/80 "2018-02-20T16:40:31Z")
Has it been said that the new element powering his reactor is vibranium? Remember, Howard Stark had access to a shield’s worth of vibranium, but couldn’t get his improved reactor to work. You’d think that he would have made the shield a few grams smaller, if that’s all it took. And I think that Shuri and Stark would probably both have a lot to learn from each other. Two supertech geniuses, who up until now have been working completely independently from each other? Combining them is going to be multiplicative, not additive. Bring Pym in on it, too, and who knows what they could accomplish? The only limiting factor is that Stark is too much of a dick to work with anyone else. Back to the OP, I finally remembered what this thread reminds me of: Back during the Bush administration, Fox News was complaining that Star Wars was too unAmerican, because the Evil Empire was portrayed as the bad guys, and of course anywhere you have an Evil Empire, it must represent the Republicans. When politicians are comparing themselves to comic-book villains in order to try to justify themselves, you’ve got a problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-panther-movie/809075.md?page=5)