# Black Swan \*Spoilers\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 4, 2010, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917 "2010-12-04T08:45:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2010, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/1 "2010-12-04T08:45:49Z")
Just got back from a nearly packed showing of Black Swan and it’s fantastic! Like The Wrestler (currently my favorite movie), Black Swan explores the tragic destruction of a character doing the only thing they know how. Knowing almost nothing about the movie before going in, I was surprised (and rather enjoyed) the horror-style in which it was presented (my girlfriend nearly cut-off the circulation in my arm during the latter half of the movie!) The movie constantly surprised me, and gave a lot to talk about afterward. Certainly one of the best movies of the year, and is quickly making Darren Aronofsky one of my favorite directors. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2010, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/2 "2010-12-05T00:54:56Z")
200 views and no one else has seen it?! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/3 "2010-12-05T00:56:32Z")
But looking forward to it! ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/4 "2010-12-05T01:22:14Z")
La la la la la, haven’t seen it yet, skipped the posts in the thread, although I’m not really spoilerphobic. Anyway, I wanted to ask someone who has also seen Princess Tutu what they thought of it. The trailer just screamed ‘even darker Princess Tutu!’ to me and Natalie Portman’s character reminded me of Rue. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/5 "2010-12-05T02:38:20Z")
I can’t wait to see this, but it hasn’t opened here yet. I’ve always considered Portman a really mediocre actress, so I’m anxious to see if she lives up to all the hype. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/6 "2010-12-05T03:15:02Z")
Question: I thought “Pi” and “Requiem for a Dream” were such laughable and/or pretentious pieces of shit that I never bothered to watch anything else Aronofsky has done. Do you think, given that, that I’d still enjoy it? Should I give “The Wrestler” a chance? ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2010, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/7 "2010-12-05T03:30:05Z")
I look forward to seeing it, but I’ll be going alone unless I can convince my sweetie that Portman gets naked and sweaty. Which I suspect she does, given certain reviews, but…I’m probably still going alone. 😛 Glad you enjoyed it though, I’m even happier to go see it, now. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/8 "2010-12-12T06:47:26Z")
This was a \*really \*good fucking movie. There are still questions to be had after watching it, though, and one of them is usually my most hated question to have after watching a movie. Was it all in her head? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/9 "2010-12-12T07:00:27Z")
I saw the preview for this at the movie theater the other day and for the first half of it, I thought it looked neat. . . then things turned weird. Can someone spoiler for me wtf this movie is about? I’m confused. ---
**Author:** ![AmunRa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AmunRa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmunRa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/10 "2010-12-12T07:37:43Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I saw the preview for this at the movie theater the other day and for the first half of it, I thought it looked neat. . . then things turned weird. > > Can someone spoiler for me wtf this movie is about? I’m confused. [spoiler]Basically Portman’s character (who probably isn’t the sanest person to begin with) gets the lead role in the ballet her company is performing and the stress drives her over the edge. Much hallucination ensues. IIRC pretty much anything in the preview that looks otherworldly/ impossible is all in her head. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/11 "2010-12-12T15:56:00Z")
I saw it yesterday and was totally meh. My friend’s reaction was WTF? I knew the movie would have a psychological bend with an artist who immerses herself in her role, but I didn’t it expect it to be a Roman Pulanski homage/rip-off. Portman was good, the ballet scenes were good, but the movie for me fell flat. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/12 "2010-12-12T18:07:56Z")
Saw it yesterday - thought it incredibly creepy. My question is What happened at the end? Did she die? Was she “okay” once she “escaped” everything? Was she insane? ---
**Author:** ![AmunRa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AmunRa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmunRa)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/13 "2010-12-13T01:48:42Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > What happened at the end? Did she die? Was she “okay” once she “escaped” everything? Was she insane? She was definitely insane. I interpreted the ending as her dieing because she actually stabbed herself when she thought she was stabbing Lily. But then I always take things to literally, but she was sure as hell insane. ---
**Author:** ![saramamalana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/74df32/32.png) [@saramamalana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saramamalana)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/14 "2010-12-13T03:38:01Z")
Saw the movie Friday night, and loved it! As for the questions regarding the ending: I think she died. I half expected the camera to pan out from the mattress and show her laying in a hospital bed, presumably in a psych unit. I’m glad that didn’t happen though, I thought it ended beautifully. Here’s something I’m confused about: We learned that Nina and Lily did not actually fool around in Nina’s bedroom from the conversation they had the next day. So…did the moment in the cab really happen? When Lily walked her fingers over to Nina’s crotch? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/15 "2010-12-13T04:48:04Z")
> [@saramamalana](#): > > Here’s something I’m confused about: > > We learned that Nina and Lily did not actually fool around in Nina’s bedroom from the conversation they had the next day. So…did the moment in the cab really happen? When Lily walked her fingers over to Nina’s crotch? Probably not. Didn’t Lily say she went home with one of those guys? Edit to add, I thought it was a very good movie and I’m sure I’ll see it again. It’ll probably get a bunch of Oscar nominations, including Best Picture, Best Actress and Best Director. It’s an indie film, so it just got a slew of Independent Spirit Award nominations too. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/16 "2010-12-13T14:48:49Z")
Re: the ending: I know it is tough to take it too literally, but I figured that if she had in fact stabbed herself, there is no way she would have been able to dance like she did. I don’t know why that bothered me. Another thing - I think an editing flaw:Did we see her take anything other than a lipstick from the Winona Ryder character? Because I did not understand the significance when her mom asked about the earrings and she said “They’re fake.” But in the end we see she stole them from her predecessor… ---
**Author:** ![AmunRa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AmunRa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmunRa)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/17 "2010-12-14T07:39:10Z")
> [@saramamalana](#): > > Here’s something I’m confused about: > > We learned that Nina and Lily did not actually fool around in Nina’s bedroom from the conversation they had the next day. So…did the moment in the cab really happen? When Lily walked her fingers over to Nina’s crotch? [Spoiler]I agree with **Equipoise** , I think everything after she left the club was in her head. Also, I think you are right about the editing **Dinsdale**. I don’t remember seeing her take anything but the lipstick either.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Neo-Calredic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/96bed5/32.png) [@Neo-Calredic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neo-Calredic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/18 "2010-12-14T21:07:54Z")
I took that to mean she had been taking things from Winona Ryder’s character here and there over a period of time–the lipstick was the only one we actually saw her take. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/19 "2010-12-14T21:41:41Z")
Forget all of that - How is the girl on girl scene? ---
**Author:** ![3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/47e85d/32.png) [@3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3_20_59_or_bust)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2010, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917/20 "2010-12-15T00:17:57Z")
> [@Spit](#): > > Forget all of that - How is the girl on girl scene? Word! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-swan-spoilers/562917.md?page=2)