# Black Villain and White Hero **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 5, 2005, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469 "2005-02-05T02:51:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![chukhung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@chukhung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chukhung)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/1 "2005-02-05T02:51:49Z")
These [two](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=300633) [threads](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=300332) got me thinking: **What are examples of Hollywood movies made after the Civil Rights Era that feature a black villain (or villains) and a white hero?** This seems to be a fairly rare combination in films (not surprising, I guess–it’s hard to see a white man beating on blacks as heroic these days). The obvious one that I thought of was [Live and Let Die](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070328/). But, on the other hand, I don’t think a movie like [Rocky](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075148/) would qualify. Apollo Creed isn’t really a villian, in my opinion–just the antagonist. So what are some others? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/2 "2005-02-05T02:58:58Z")
[Unbreakable.](http://imdb.com/title/tt0217869/) ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/3 "2005-02-05T03:09:19Z")
Half of the "Spy vs. Spy"s? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/4 "2005-02-05T03:31:22Z")
1993’s _Demolition Man_ featured Wesley Snipes as the villain and Sylvester Stallone as the hero. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/5 "2005-02-05T03:41:14Z")
While _Rocky_ wouldn’t qualify, _Rocky III_ would. Clubber Lang (Mister T) was most definitely a villain. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/6 "2005-02-05T03:46:04Z")
And of course _Training Day_ featured a white hero and black villain. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/7 "2005-02-05T03:49:06Z")
Blacula? Not sure of the time frame though… ---
**Author:** ![TJdude825](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@TJdude825](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TJdude825)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/8 "2005-02-05T03:51:55Z")
Collateral, kinda. But the black guy wasn’t a villain, so much as a less good character… I think. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/9 "2005-02-05T03:52:22Z")
Daredevil? ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/10 "2005-02-05T04:43:30Z")
Black Hawk Down had (mostly) white US military troops trying to catch Black Somalis working for Adid. A lot of people accused the movie of being racist, though it was based off a real life event. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/black-villain-and-white-hero/288469/11 "2005-02-05T04:44:46Z")
Conan the Barbarian - Arnold Schwarzenegger v James Earl Jones Jackie Brown - Samuel Jackson v Robert Forster Logan’s Run - Michael York v Roscoe Lee Browne