# Blackjack simulator? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 23, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161 "2012-07-23T20:15:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161/1 "2012-07-23T20:15:10Z")
Not being in the Game Room, I’m not asking about or questioning the ins and outs of basic strategy. All I’m looking for is a simulator that will allow me to put in different conditions (e.g. number of decks) and rules (e.g. player stays when dealer shows a 6) and run a large number of trials/hands with those parameters. My interest in this is more computer-sciencey than gambling, so again, I’m not looking (or capable of) getting into a discussion of whether it’s better or worse to hit on a X or double down on a Y. I’d just like to see how deviating from basic strategy (or a version of it) changes the long-term outcomes, and what such a simulation would look like/run on a machine. Unfortunately, most of what I’ve found so far seem to be portals for gambling sites or sites that want to sell me a book. But I can’t imagine that programming one would be significantly more than a bunch of if\>then statements with a set of initial conditions and whatnot, so figure they must be out there somewhere. Thanks, Rhythm Oh, bonus if there’s a similar craps simulator out there too. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161/2 "2012-07-23T20:39:58Z")
The best one I’ve seen is [CVCX](http://www.qfit.com/blackjack-simulation.htm) from Casino Verite. Their website is horrible but the product has a good reputation. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161/3 "2012-07-23T21:55:47Z")
Here is one [simulator](http://www.bjsim.com/default.aspx) and here is [another](http://www.hitorstand.net/game_l.html). Do these meet your requirements? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161/4 "2012-07-23T23:27:37Z")
Despite not being about strategy, I think that this is better suited to the Game Room than GQ. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Turble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Turble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turble)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161/5 "2012-07-24T16:15:44Z")
Casino Vérité is good but pretty pricey. You might want to have a look at [Blackjack PowerSim](http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/SimSimp_Beta.htm). ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161/6 "2012-07-26T13:11:26Z")
None of them will be a _true_ simulation until one of the computer-controlled players plays nothing but basic strategy and freaks the fuck out when you add in true-count adjustments. The game needs to have this guy scream about “ruining it for the table” when you hit on a 12 vs. the dealer’s face-up 2, even though you pulled an 8. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161/7 "2012-07-27T16:10:08Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > The game needs to have this guy scream about “ruining it for the table” when you hit on a 12 vs. the dealer’s face-up 2, even though you pulled an 8. But hitting 12 vs. 2 _is_ basic strategy! (Against single-deck it’s even basic to hit (10,2) vs 4.) ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2012, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blackjack-simulator/629161/8 "2012-08-17T22:15:43Z")
If you’re are serious, try [this](http://bj21.com/pba/download/pba_title_page.html). I used the previous version as an advantage player in the late 1990s. It allows you to manipulate any variable that I know of that can affect the player/house edge, standard deviation, or risk of ruin when playing blackjack. It even allows card counters to factor in certain “cover” strategies, if that’s important to you.