I would say you meant “Democratic,” but it is a common tactic of immature conservatives to use “Democrat” inappropriatively. Grow up.
I assume you are a smart person. Please tell me why you think that poll is accurate? It’s one thing to take a poll about what fabric softener you use, but something else entirely when it’s about something shameful or embarrassing like being a racist. This is why polls about sexuality, honesty, and infidelity are notoriously unreliable.
More importantly, after looking at some of the questions, it’s fairly speculative to assume anyone who answers in the affirmative is a racist, let a lone an avowed, open racist that the GOP tends to court. With maybe the exception of the interracial marriage one. Even on that question, I would differentiate between those who feel that way, and those who actively spend time and money trying to effectuate that change. Either way, they fact that you trust one poll more than the collective experiences of millions of people who have independently come to the opposite conclusion is, at best, selective. Why do you trust some pollster asking 3 questions to maybe a few hundred people (probably fewer) than millions of people who have the opposite perception?
You are muddling the issue. The GOP is not hated by Black people because they are seen as harboring the ONLY people with racist tendencies and biases. It’s because they encourage those sentiments, fomenting them to rally their base come election time. I think the vast majority of people of every stripe have some bigoted thoughts or tendencies just from having grown up in a culture where such tendencies are tolerated. The problem is you have (generally) one political party who not only tolerates it, but relies on it to advance their policies.
So you can paint anyone with those thoughts as a racist if you would like, but most people have a narrower definition that generally applies not to people who have been trained to fear or think worse of Black people, yet feel guilty about it, but to those who encourage and defend the rectitude of such thinking. Those folks, the guys arguing slavery was good, are by and large, republicans. For every elected democrat who has said something transparently racist, there are 25 examples of a republican doing the same. Even if you are right that the number of actual racists is fairly equal between the two parties, only one party seems to vocalize their pride and appreciation for them.
So then you think that the democrats who expressed racist sentiments were lying?:dubious:
I’m not sure that “millions of people” insist that virtually all white racists are Republicans.
Moreover, you’re the one who seems to want to dismiss the collective experiences of countless minorities, including myself which would show that white democrats/liberals/progressives are quite capable of being racist.
Like I said, I’ve seen vastly too many white progressives practically piss all over themselves in fear when black people got onto the subway, heard far too many said they think it’s perfectly understandable for jewelry store owners to allow blacks in their shops at night or for cabbies to refuse to pick up blacks, to believe such crap.
Nor am I alone.
You’ll notice that Hayes, who freely concedes he was proven wrong, comments that he was slammed on twitter for making those comments by two groups of people “white conservatives and blacks.”
As one of his commenters said on the video, no black people were shocked by the polls results.
I’ve never quite been able to grasp why this is so offensive.
Because it’s a deliberate use of some other name instead of the proper one, and meant to insult. Just like referring to Republicans as Republitards. However it is not the same as the term Tea Bagger which was originated by the Tea Party itself, although that is usually intended as an insult.
But there’s no portmanteau element where an offensive word is deliberately attached, as is “'tards” in your example.
I guess it’ll have to continue escaping me.
It’s fairly common on the Freepers board for them to use it like DemocRAT. We’re rats, get it?
Good one, Republicans. Good one.
Same here. I think it might have to do with the positive connotations of the word ‘democratic’ that get stripped when changed to ‘democrat’. The Democratic
objection to dropping the -ic is approximately equivalent to the Republican giddiness.
“Far left”? Not many Communists, radical feminists or tear-down-civilization environmentalists on this board.
Given how far to the Right one finds the American Center, far Left describes many posters, here. I did not say extreme Left.
It might be, but the notion that only blacks can speak up about issues directly involving blacks is also troubling. Some middle ground is necessary. Too often, the threads here about, say, Israel, have seen language like, “If you haven’t lived there, you don’t have the basis for an informed opinion.”
Maybe so… Maybe our opinions are uninformed. But we’re going to be voting on the basis of these opinions. Better for us to air them openly, so they can be rebutted on the basis of their content.
Discounting them on the basis of their origin doesn’t seem wise. If we were talking about skiing, an almost all-white pastime, would we give less weight to the opinion of black posters?
OMG actually has a point.
A black celebrity who announces he is a conservative is going to get a lot more heat for it than a white celebrity who announces he’s a conservative. People might disagree and argue with the white celebrity but they won’t treat it as a betrayal.
Angie Harmon, Patricia Heaton, Heather Locklear, Laura Prepon, Jessica Simpson, and Leeann Tweeden have all publicly announced they are Republicans and I’m pretty sure none of them have received calls to kill themselves over it.
Plenty of black people are conservatives; it’s just that the Republicans are anti-black. It’s self preservation not liberalism that induces many black people to vote for Democrats.
But you’d also consider the Republicans to be anti-women. And probably anti-human for that matter. The question is why black Republicans receive much higher calls of being traitors.
Did you actually read what I said? I said the following:
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The questions asked do a poor job of identifying racists. Instead, they (arguably) identify people with racial biases. With maybe the exception of the interracial marriage question. Even then, it doesn’t make a meaningful distinction between people who feel that was, and people who actively spend their time trying to affect that change.
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Polls of this kind are notoriously unreliable. There is very little reason to trust a pool which samples maybe a few hundred people more than the collective perceptions of many times more people.
Good thing I didn’t say that. More importantly, context matters here. It’s pretty clear given that most people are apolitical, that all racists are not going to be republicans. What does seem evident is that most avowed, vocal racists, who have political leanings, are republicans, and that the party heavily relies on them to forward their agenda.
Nobody said dems/libs were incapable of being racist.
The term racist is being used too broadly here. Almost everyone that grows up in this culture is left with some racial biases and prejudices. I don’t think the guy who follows around Black people for fear they will steal is definitely a republican, or necessarily a racist. What he is doing could fairly be describes as racist.
However, the vast majority of strident, vocal, politically engaged, capital R racists I am aware of are republicans. People who define themselves by their biases and prejudices tend to be with the GOP. I am sure plenty of racists have entered the democratic party. What I find offensive is that the GOP ushers these people in and offers them a foot rub.
And? Did I miss a meeting where it was decided Chris Hayes was the arbiter of truth?
Because few people are saying what you suggest they are saying. Regardless, the facts are overwhelming. If you agree racial hostility is one reason Blacks don’t vote for the GOP, and that the dems and the GOP are equally racist, why do you think Black people can’t see that?
Probably a greater sense of solidarity. Poor people for example are also hated by the Republicans and targeted for exploitation and abuse by them; but the only economic class is America that shows class awareness and solidarity is the wealthy. The poor (and for that matter middle class) eagerly vote for people who hate them and look at them as exploitable resources, or as outright vermin.
And women for whatever reason have always been prominent among anti-woman groups, both political and religious.
No, he doesn’t. Witness what happened to Kelly Clarkson when she seemingly endorsed Ron Paul. The reason that doesn’t happen to some others is because their fans are not overwhelmingly of a different political persuasion, and because they are often not in positions to interact with them. The reverse happens as well (eg. The Dixie Chicks).
True, but that was not my point.
In a debate, (which is what this is, sorta), anyone with sufficient facts and logic should be recognized, regardless of their membership in any group. However, when posed as a question that purportedly wished to discover the actual feelings of (most) members of a group, asking the views of a lot of outsiders to that group is an odd way to get the question answered.
If you really wish to tug on our heart strings, let us know about some of the abuse that you, personally, have endured for being a Black Conservative.
In the Real World!
For what it’s worth, I posted this relevant response in the “When did Black people become the REAL racists?” thread.
OMG, if you are honest about your OP perhaps you should closely consider the nuanced reasons given by former prominent AA Republicans and afterwards provide a response that is more then a simple, hand-waving, wholesale, rejection.