# Blacks and the GOP **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 13, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057 "2010-06-13T22:53:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![erez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@erez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erez)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/301 "2010-06-26T05:50:05Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Anyway, **Susanann** ’s implication was that the tax cut was targeted to blacks, which it clearly wasn’t. That’s exactly the part that I disagree with and what led to my post. If that was indeed **Susanann** ’s implication, why would s/he write this quote “A rising tide lifts all boats” (John Kennedy 1963) . ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/302 "2010-06-26T07:23:21Z")
> [@erez](#): > > The Bush tax cuts did directly lower taxes on the middle class. An argument could be made that they were lowered more for upper class or that they increased the deficit because there were no accompanying spending cuts, thus indirectly increasing future taxes. If we are talking about the relative tax burdens before and after the tax cuts, the biggest cuts went to the top 0.1% and the bottom 20-40% the meaty middle didn’t really see much of a cut compared to these two groups. > [@](#): > > The impact of lower airfares on the ability to travel by airplane by lower-income public (which includes a lot of blacks) is undoubtedly very significant. There would have to be a huge impact on the much lower number of airline employees and shareholders for your statement to be true. I doubt very much that it is. For example, you can’t neglect shareholders of companies created thanks to the additional opportunities due to the deregulation. There are definitely more airline employees now than before deregulation (see BTS data) and the closest BLS survey I can find shows that the wages in this industry increased from 1980 to 1995. I thought we were talking about negative effects, which fell mostly on the shareholder and employees. Let me ask you a question, if you owned a thousand shares of every major airline in 1977, how much would those shares be worth today? There is only ONE airline that has not gone bankrupt (American) and those shares are worth $7 these days. Now I agree that deregulation was “probably” a good thing but I struggle to see how it was a pro-black legislation any more than the highway bill or TARP was pro-black legislation. > [@](#): > > I don’t know why you and **Onomatopoeia** both have such huge problems understanding a simple sentence by **Susanann**. It was about **carrying concealed weapons** , not about increasing access to all firearms or any such thing. You’re creating a straw man. OK, how was legislation that allowed people to carry concealed weapons = pro-black legislation? > [@](#): > > **Onomatopoeia** ’s argument specifically mentioned “there are very few blacks in Alaska” and that’s what I was responding to. Oh well, I agree Suananan’s point is not invalid because there are so few blacks in Alaska, SUanansn’s point is invalid for a host of other reasons, starting with “wtf did Palin do?” and moving on to “and how is giving oil money to all Alaskans = pro-black?” ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/303 "2010-06-26T22:25:43Z")
> [@erez](#): > > There can be no way for a policy to be positive for blacks, unless it only benefits them, right **julius blaze**? Wrong. There are of course plenty of policies that by helping everyone, also help blacks. But here in reasonable people land, they do not try to spin these policies as pro-black. > [@](#): > > One might call such a policy “racist,” but for **julius blaze** it’s the way the government should be run. Otherwise, how could blacks ever vote for Republicans, since they didn’t get any blacks-specific giveaways lately? Hahaha. You’re full of assumptions, and very silly. ---
**Author:** ![erez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@erez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erez)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/304 "2010-06-27T10:14:01Z")
> [@julius blaze](#): > > Wrong. There are of course plenty of policies that by helping everyone, also help blacks. But here in reasonable people land, they do not try to spin these policies as pro-black. Did you even read the context or do you just like to jump into discussions without any idea of what’s going on? Here is the question that **Susanann** was responding to: > [@](#): > > So tell me…what have Republicans done for African-Americans lately? Do you now see why the policies that are helping everyone do indeed count? ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/305 "2010-06-27T13:29:24Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by Susanann I am not a Republican, but, for starters,the Republicans were primarily and mostly responsible for: the Republicans passed laws giving the right for blacks to carry concealed weapons for self defense in 38 states… > [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > It seems you’re being willfully obtuse to an end I can’t fathom. The party, to this very day, uses anti black and anti hispanic rhetoric to its political advantage. Knowing this, why would a black or hispanic person with any self respect belong to such an organization? Ummmm, in order to save your life and keep your freedom? Is that enough reason ? Democrats want to prohibit guns, Democrats do not want honest citizens from having guns… vs. … Republicans pass laws allowing citizens to carry guns to defend themselves. “Concealed Carry” legislation is a basic plank in the Republican Party platform. Here is a real life example from a couple of days ago: > **[Ignatius Piazza: Shotgun in Your Face and .380 in Your Pocket…](https://ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2009/06/22/ignatius-piazza-shotgun-in-your-face-and-380-in-your-pocket/)** Video of a man who used a concealed weapon to save his life " Elliot Firby is an average guy, who like most responsible citizens, just wanted to be left alone to do his work and live his life. Because he was carrying a concealed weapon and because he had the proper mindset to fight when confronted with deadly force, Elliot Firby is still alive and free. Third, this armed citizen is a real-life hero and could not be a better example of why ‘Shall Issue’ Concealed Carry Permits are needed in every state across this country. Legislators and Sheriffs take notice! When you deny hard-working, responsible, law-abiding citizens the ability to carry a concealed weapon" ============================================================== Condoleezza Rice, Martin Luther King, and many other black leaders have spoken out how owning and carrying guns (a Republican Party theme) preserves self respect and has preserved their own family in the past ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/306 "2010-06-27T13:33:34Z")
Originally Posted by Susanann I am not a Republican, but, for starters, the Republicans were primarily and mostly responsible for: lower taxes for blacks, > [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > It seems you’re being willfully obtuse to an end I can’t fathom. Whether one likes it or not, although not all Republicans are racist, it’s no secret the GOP is the party where racists feel most at home. The party, to this very day, uses anti black and anti hispanic rhetoric to its political advantage. Knowing this, why would a black or hispanic person with any self respect belong to such an organization? I dont know where to start. Is there any valid reason why you think black and hispanic people do not want lower taxes? …just because they are black or hispanic? ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/307 "2010-06-27T13:40:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Now I agree that deregulation was “probably” a good thing but I struggle to see how it was a pro-black legislation any more than the highway bill or TARP was pro-black legislation. > > OK, how was legislation that allowed people to carry concealed weapons = pro-black legislation? > > Oh well, I agree Suananan’s point is not invalid because there are so few blacks in Alaska, SUanansn’s point is invalid for a host of other reasons, starting with “wtf did Palin do?” and moving on to “and how is giving oil money to all Alaskans = pro-black?” Do you really not understand that laws and freedoms and rights and privileges and benefits given to “all” Americans benefit black people? We do not need, nor do we want, laws, rights, taxes, benefits, privileges, penalties to ever be given to just “1” race. A better life for all Americans means a better life for all Americans. Pro-american, means pro-black…and pro-hispanic… and pro-white…and pro-everything Blacks are “people” too… you know. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/308 "2010-06-27T13:49:37Z")
> [@erez](#): > > Did you even read the context or do you just like to jump into discussions without any idea of what’s going on? Here is the question that **Susanann** was responding to: > Do you now see why the policies that are helping everyone do indeed count? # At least somebody …gets it. Quote by Sidney Pottier in the movie : “ **Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner** ” (1967) "John: You listen to me. You say you don’t want to tell me how to live my life. So what do you think you’ve been doing? You tell me what rights I’ve got or haven’t got, and what I owe to you for what you’ve done for me. Let me tell you something. I owe you nothing! If you carried that bag a million miles, you did what you’re supposed to do! Because you brought me into this world. And from that day you owed me everything you could ever do for me like I will owe my son if I ever have another. But you don’t own me! You can’t tell me when or where I’m out of line, or try to get me to live my life according to your rules. You don’t even know what I am, Dad, you don’t know who I am. You don’t know how I feel, what I think. And if I tried to explain it the rest of your life you will never understand. You are 30 years older than I am. You and your whole lousy generation believes the way it was for you is the way it’s got to be. And not until your whole generation has lain down and died will the dead weight of you be off our backs! You understand, you’ve got to get off my back! Dad… Dad, you’re my father. I’m your son. I love you. I always have and I always will. But you think of yourself as a colored man. I think of myself as a man." > **[Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967) - Quotes - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061735/quotes/)** > > Guess Who's Coming to Dinner: A White couple's attitudes are challenged when their daughter introduces them to her Black fiancé. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/309 "2010-06-27T13:52:51Z")
> [@erez](#): > > That’s exactly the part that I disagree with and what led to my post. If that was indeed **Susanann** ’s implication, why would s/he write this quote “A rising tide lifts all boats” (John Kennedy 1963) . You got it! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/310 "2010-06-27T14:08:00Z")
Just look at the makeup of the attendees at the conventions to see who a party is for. The dems have a large share of blacks and women. They have other minorities represented. The republican convention is populated by rich white men. Women are a small part and minorities insignificant. The repubs are looking hard to find and showcase women and blacks. It is a difficult task. This is not new. The conventions have been on Tv for a long time. The repub have always shown their face, rich white men. That is who they work for. That is what they are. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/311 "2010-06-27T14:14:53Z")
Some people say: “that we should not vote for, support, or belong to the Republican Party because, even “if”, the Republican Party were to cure cancer, obtain world peace, lower all taxes, secure our borders, guarantee the Bill of Rights, etc…since those things are not exclusively pro-black/anti-white, since whites might also enjoy those things, therefore, we blacks should not want any of those things”. I say: Hogwash! ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/312 "2010-06-27T14:20:25Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Just look at the makeup of the attendees at the conventions to see who a party is for. The dems have a large share of blacks and women. They have other minorities represented. > The republican convention is populated by rich white men. Women are a small part and minorities insignificant. The repubs are looking hard to find and showcase women and blacks. It is a difficult task. > This is not new. The conventions have been on Tv for a long time. The repub have always shown their face, rich white men. That is who they work for. That is what they are. Just because… at the moment, if as you say, blacks are Democrats and whites are Republican, would not mean that this kind of segregation would “have” to continue, nor is it necessarily healthy for our country. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/313 "2010-06-27T14:23:37Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Some people say: “that we should not vote for, support, or belong to the Republican Party because, even “if”, the Republican Party were to cure cancer, obtain world peace, lower all taxes, secure our borders, guarantee the Bill of Rights, etc…since those things are not exclusively pro-black/anti-white, since whites might also enjoy those things, therefore, we blacks should not want any of those things”. > > I say: Hogwash! The straw tricking toward you from that fellow might work as a fuse. Since the GOP has done none of those things, since the GOP isn’t the great savior of mankind, and since the GOP absolutely does (and its adherents in this thread do) speak dismissively and contemptuously of the concerns of black Americans, and at least tolerates things like the wearing of “gator bait” hats at the RNC or “Barack the Magic Negro” or “Barack HUSSEIN Obama” or any number of other sly and mean things that at least hint if not outright stating that black Americans are other or lesser or just too stupid for their own good, since all of this is true, I think maybe, just maybe, claims that if the GOP were perfect black Americans would still not see the light are slightly, just slightly, overfuckingblown. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/314 "2010-06-27T14:32:48Z")
**Susanann** or **erez** , just n the spirit of debate, what do you think are blacks’ main reasons for not supporting the Republican Party as enthusiastically as you think they should? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/315 "2010-06-27T14:39:41Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Just because… at the moment, if as you say, blacks are Democrats and whites are Republican, would not mean that this kind of segregation would “have” to continue, nor is it necessarily healthy for our country. No I did not say at this moment. The white rich man face of the repub party has been seen for generations.I noticed it in the 60s when I first became politically aware. Conventions have been on TV a long time. The face of the repub party has been clear and obvious for many, many years. The repubs have taken measures to disguise who they represent, but it is so overwhelming they have not been successful. The repubs actually believe a few rich and powerful people should run the country. The dems think all classes should have input in policy. Trickle down is a stupid and dishonest mantra. If you permit the rich to have all the power and money, they will keep it. They just spent 8 years proving it. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/316 "2010-06-27T16:22:58Z")
[http://tri-statedefenderonline.com/articlelive/articles/3134/1/The-GOPs-diversity-challenge-African-American-voters/Page1.html](http://tri-statedefenderonline.com/articlelive/articles/3134/1/The-GOPs-diversity-challenge-African-American-voters/Page1.html) Blacks were 1.5 percent of the repub convention in 2000. They dug up enough to hit 6 percent in 2004. It has since dropped again to low levels. It is not a fabrication that the Repubs are the party of rich white men. The dems run consistently at about 25 percent blacks and minorities. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/317 "2010-06-27T17:09:31Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Originally Posted by Susanann > I am not a Republican, but, for starters, > the Republicans were primarily and mostly responsible for: > > lower taxes for blacks, > > I dont know where to start. > > Is there any valid reason why you think black and hispanic people do not want lower taxes? …just because they are black or hispanic? With the sole exception of Oprah, Blacks don’t want lower taxes, they want higher wages. The GOP will never gain black support in my lifetime. You guys have too much baggage. The GOP could _possibly_ get black votes if they supported slavery reparations (something that Democrats don’t support) but I don’t think the racist element of the party could stomach that. Bush fucked up when (a) got on LIVE National TV to whine about Gratz v. Bollinger (Like he got into Yale on intellectual merit alone) and (b) Hurricane Katrina (including his mother’s unapologetic comments about the ordeal). Also, you have to realize that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh consistently make deragotory comments about blacks all of the time. This is the face of the Republican party. In order to get black support, the GOP has to redefine itself as caring about the concerns of blacks in the country. \ - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/318 "2010-06-27T17:46:40Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Also, you have to realize that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh consistently make deragotory comments about blacks all of the time. This is the face of the Republican party. This is a pretty important point. Rush is clearly opposed to a lot of things that the black community supports and a lot of his language comes across as code for “keep them in their place.” (He would deny that, of course, but even his denials look like he is winking at his primarily white audience.) So when the Republican Party routinely genuflects at his altar and when major players in the GOP, (such as the black head of the RNC–regardless whether he is or is not a token), have to publicly apologize simply for disagreeing with him and no other Republican stands up to note that Rush is out of line, it sends a pretty strong message that the GOP is not particularly interested in or supportive of black Americans. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/319 "2010-06-27T19:17:51Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > With the sole exception of Oprah, Blacks don’t want lower taxes, they want higher wages. Well, there’s always Bob Johnson. From [http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/75168/the-return-shameless-bob-johnson:](http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/75168/the-return-shameless-bob-johnson:) > [@](#): > > Who is Bob Johnson? He’s an African-American billionaire who specializes in making preposterous racialized arguments on behalf of policies that benefit the very rich. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057/320 "2010-06-27T20:51:25Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > I am not a Republican, but, for starters,the Republicans were primarily and mostly responsible for: > the Republicans passed laws giving the right for blacks to carry concealed weapons for self defense in 38 states… > [@ONOMATOPOEIA](#): > > It seems you’re being willfully obtuse to an end I can’t fathom. The party, to this very day, uses anti black and anti hispanic rhetoric to its political advantage. Knowing this, why would a black or hispanic person with any self respect belong to such an organization? > [@Susanann](#): > > Ummmm, in order to save your life and keep your freedom? > > Is that enough reason ? > > Democrats want to prohibit guns, Democrats do not want honest citizens from having guns… vs. … Republicans pass laws allowing citizens to carry guns to defend themselves. “Concealed Carry” legislation is a basic plank in the Republican Party platform. You’re purposefully not answering my question, and ignoring the reality that black people, in the main, find the Republican party abhorrent. It’s disingenuous to foist the implication that a Republican piece of legislation was designed to benefit blacks because it benefits some people and blacks are people. In that way, you could argue that lynching benefited black people because the company manufacturing the rope used in lynchings probably employed black people, or poll taxes, the collection of which incidentally accrues to blacks in the form of community services those funds pay for like the parks that blacks can walk through, or literacy tests, etc… You see what I’m saying? You consider concealed carry to be a positive piece of legislation. I believe it’s absolutely crazy and ultimately harmful to everyone, but we both have our opinions on that issue, so I’m willing to respect yours even though I strongly disagree with it. However, to insinuate that any law that eases gun restrictions was enacted as a direct benefit to blacks is simply untrue and you know it. In the '80s, welfare reform, strengthening drug and weakening gun legislation, the weakening of affirmative action statutes, and the expansion of states rights were of urgent import to the Republican party, all of which I would argue were perceived, if not designed, to negatively impact blacks primarily. It didn’t matter that welfare reform would also hurt whites because the perception ingrained in the minds of the white voting public was that the majority of welfare recipients were black, the lion’s share of whom were somehow scamming the system or simply lazy and happily living on the dole, and therefore had to be done. The 1986 drug legislation that brought about the 100 to 1 disparity in legal penalties imposed for the possession/distribution of crack vs powdered cocaine negatively impacted blacks far, far more than whites, as it was designed to. Even if you take umbrage with my assertion that blacks were the target of the legislative disparity, the fact is that was the result, has been for over 20 years, and has not yet been changed. You, I believe wrongly, reject the very idea that blacks are hurt by Republican legislation. Any further argument from me will fall on deaf ears because you, inexplicably, believe that all the damage and hardship realized by blacks as a direct result of legislation by the GOP and other acts by it and its proxies over the last 40 or so years, to this very day, should somehow be mitigated by any legislation the benefits of which are incidentally accruable to, though not necessarily actually accrued by, blacks. Your argument is insulting to blacks and other minorities, as you continue to dismiss and ignore the inexcusable. Today’s GOP has offered laughably little, other than twisted rhetoric, that expresses anything passing as interest in the welfare of black people. Contrary to your earlier assertion, blacks don’t want the GOP to give them anything. Blacks simply would like the GOP to place a full and immediate stop to any practice, a reversal of any legislation, and a dismissal of any platform plank, that is either designed to, or results in, harming blacks or any other brown person in this or any other country. Excuse me if I refuse to hold my breath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-gop/543057.md?page=17)