# Blade Runner 2049: Seen it (Open Spoilers after the first post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 6, 2017, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088 "2017-10-06T07:12:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/61 "2017-10-10T04:43:31Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I think I missed the reference to the Soviet Union. The giant holographic ballet dancers mention something about the CCCP in the advertising text. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/62 "2017-10-10T14:15:17Z")
What would be scarier: that the CCCP continued to exist or that it re-formed? I must say that I liked how we got to see humans interacting with replicants a lot more in this flick and how they treated them. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/63 "2017-10-11T00:23:32Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > I must say that I liked how we got to see humans interacting with replicants a lot more in this flick and how they treated them. In the previous flick, replicants weren’t legal; the hunted ones were from off-world. In these modern times, though, Wallace’ replicants _were_ legal because Wallace improved them, and well, I don’t remember the justification in the opening text. ---
**Author:** ![Orr\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee59a6/32.png) [@Orr\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orr_G)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/64 "2017-10-11T02:48:27Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > In the previous flick, replicants weren’t legal; the hunted ones were from off-world. In these modern times, though, Wallace’ replicants _were_ legal because Wallace improved them, and well, I don’t remember the justification in the opening text. IIRC, the opening text said it was because “they obey”. BTW the three shorts give a bit more background and depth to some of the events in the movie, and 2036: Nexus Dawn addresses the replicant prohibition in particular. > **[Prepare for ‘Blade Runner 2049’ With This Trio of Short Films](https://geekdad.com/2017/10/blade-runner-2049-short-films/)** > > Before you see 'Blade Runner 2049,' be sure to watch this trio of 'Blade Runner' short films that set the stage for the film's unique vision of the future. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/65 "2017-10-11T14:37:50Z")
I’m confused about the horse. Not sure I got all this, but I guess from what we saw in Las Vegas, Deckard made it, gave it to Rachael. Rachael dies in childbirth, Sapper writes the birth date on the tree and the horse, gives Ana the horse at some point. Ana hides it at the orphanage and gets the crap beaten out of her by other orphans. Somehow Ana provides that memory as part of her work ,and somehow K ends up with that memory (why him? why not any other or multiple replicants?). Finally: K gives Deckard the horse, who recognizes it and gives K an astonished look. K: “All the best memories were Rachael’s” Wait what? Rachael’s? You mean Ana’s? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/66 "2017-10-11T14:51:18Z")
dupe ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/67 "2017-10-11T14:59:48Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I’m confused about the horse. Not sure I got all this, but I guess from what we saw in Las Vegas, Deckard made it, gave it to Rachael. Rachael dies in childbirth, Sapper writes the birth date on the tree and the horse, gives Ana the horse at some point. Ana hides it at the orphanage and gets the crap beaten out of her by other orphans. Somehow Ana provides that memory as part of her work ,and somehow K ends up with that memory (why him? why not any other or multiple replicants?). > > Finally: K gives Deckard the horse, who recognizes it and gives K an astonished look. > > K: “All the best memories were Rachael’s” > > Wait what? Rachael’s? You mean Ana’s? Is it possible you’re misremembering? Screenrant suggests that the line is “[All the best memories were hers](http://screenrant.com/blade-runner-2049-rachael-deckard-daughter-backstory-explained/2/),” which is what I sorta remember as well. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/68 "2017-10-11T15:07:25Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Is it possible you’re misremembering? Screenrant suggests that the line is “[All the best memories were hers](http://screenrant.com/blade-runner-2049-rachael-deckard-daughter-backstory-explained/2/),” which is what I sorta remember as well. Possibly. Some of the dialog was hard to catch in the theater. Was the rest of my summary about right re horse provenance? I just don’t see how K ended up with those memories unless Ana was spewing orphanage footage out to random replicants and K just happened to be on the other end. There’s quite a bit deus ex about that horse. ---
**Author:** ![JcWoman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jcwoman/32/2889_2.png) [@JcWoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JcWoman)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/69 "2017-10-11T15:13:58Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > I think Wallace could have been a more interesting character if he had been developed properly, particularly his relationship with Luv. As I mentioned, Luv’s character seemed to harden towards the end without any real explanation. There should have been a sub-plot where Luv had genuine misgivings and Wallace sensed this and figured out a way to manipulate her into doing what he wanted. I saw it twice and loved it both times. I tend to agree with this. There were at least two scenes where Luv had tears rolling down her face but I was never sure what she was thinking or feeling to cause them. In the first such scene I thought it was because she felt bad for killing another replicant. But in another scene her killing a replicant seemed to be her decision and yet she was still crying. I loved the character but couldn’t figure out her motives. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/70 "2017-10-11T16:12:44Z")
Saw it last night. It was breathtaking, slow, mindblowing, and confusing all at the same time. I really don’t like “Ryan Gosling traveling around being somber” movies after seeing Drive, but I definitely liked Blade Runner 2049 overall. Very visually striking although I would have liked more city scenes. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/71 "2017-10-11T16:38:24Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Was the rest of my summary about right re horse provenance? I just don’t see how K ended up with those memories unless Ana was spewing orphanage footage out to random replicants and K just happened to be on the other end. There’s quite a bit deus ex about that horse. My assumption was that Ana spewed the orphanage footage out to one random replicant, and the fact that he randomly was assigned to a case involving a friend of Rachael’s was indeed extremely coincidental. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/72 "2017-10-11T17:30:24Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > My assumption was that Ana spewed the orphanage footage out to one random replicant, and the fact that he randomly was assigned to a case involving a friend of Rachael’s was indeed extremely coincidental. No, it definitely wasn’t just Joe who had that memory - the replicant hooker Joi hires so she and Joe could have a night together also has it. The morning after she sleeps with Joe, she sees the horse on his table and recognizes it. She says something like, “The dream is real!” I’m guessing that replicants share a lot of the same memories in general, and Ana put a few of her own - including the memory about hiding the horse - in there as a bit of artistic caprice. Possibly, she was seeding her own memories into the replicant population in the hopes that they’d be able to use information from those memories to find her, but I’m not sure how that would have worked - Joe only made the connection because he also found Rachel’s grave, and a bunch of other stuff that Ana couldn’t have had any control over. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/73 "2017-10-11T18:28:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Nthe replicant hooker Joi hires so she and Joe could have a night together also has it. The morning after she sleeps with Joe, she sees the horse on his table and recognizes it. She says something like, “The dream is real!” Oh, good point. I’d forgotten her reaction. But it’s strange that it’s a dream for her and a (fairly vivid) memory for Joe. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/74 "2017-10-11T18:57:11Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Oh, good point. I’d forgotten her reaction. But it’s strange that it’s a dream for her and a (fairly vivid) memory for Joe. The resetting process seemed not to “take” with Joe/K, like it apparently did with her. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/75 "2017-10-11T19:38:12Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > Saw it last night. It was breathtaking, slow, mindblowing, and confusing all at the same time. I really don’t like “Ryan Gosling traveling around being somber” movies after seeing Drive, but I definitely liked Blade Runner 2049 overall. Very visually striking although I would have liked more city scenes. It’s funny, I just watched _Drive_ a few nights ago and thought: RG is playing the same character, more or less, as he does in _BR2049_. That was 6 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/76 "2017-10-11T21:01:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s funny, I just watched _Drive_ a few nights ago and thought: RG is playing the same character, more or less, as he does in _BR2049_. That was 6 years ago. And the same character, more or less, he played in _Lars and the Real Girl_ from 10 years ago, as someone in love with a simulation that he pretends is real. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/77 "2017-10-12T00:35:54Z")
So how could memory girl ever be (beaten up) at that (oh so clean) orphanage if she started with a compromised immune system? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/78 "2017-10-12T00:46:50Z")
Also, I was wondering about the import of Luv being instantly alerted when K broke Joi’s antenna connection. She was spying on K through Joi? I guess that’s why she took interest in the ‘Joi tone’ that his pocket device emitted. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/79 "2017-10-12T03:01:26Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > So how could memory girl ever be (beaten up) at that (oh so clean) orphanage if she started with a compromised immune system? When K is combing through genetic records, he finds two identical gene scans - one for a boy, one for a girl. The scan indicates that the person has (IIR the name C) Galatians syndrome. The records indicate that the girl died from it, and the boy just disappeared from the records. Later, when K meets Ana, she describes first being diagnosed with Galatians syndrome around the age of eight, when her parents were planning to move to the off world colonies. So, two things that are important, here. One is that Galatians syndrome, while genetic, doesn’t manifest itself until later in childhood. So, plenty of time to get beaten up in a filthy orphanage. The second, more important, thing is, _there’s nothing wrong with her immune system._ Her being “sick” was entirely a part of her cover story - its presumably why they chose that particular kid’s gene scan to copy. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088/80 "2017-10-12T15:09:39Z")
I also liked how the hooker dissed Joi when she was dismissed. Replicants, for all their martyrdom complex, don’t mind kicking downwards at the hologram AIs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runner-2049-seen-it-open-spoilers-after-the-first-post/798088.md?page=5)