Blade Runner Hypothetical (Tyrell Murder)

I thought there was an assassin model amongst the group.

I think that in the Deckard is a replicant scenario, Tyrell would be in on it. It could be that he’s the only one that knows. He obviously has no qualms about flaunting the ban on using replicants on Earth, as seen with Rachel. Perhaps why he allows Deckard to discover Rachel is that Tyrell knows Deckard better than Deckard himself, having designed him and his memories, and so knows he won’t turn her in.

The way I always saw it, both the ban on on-world replicants and the 4 year lifespan were regulations that were imposed on Tyrell. If he had his way, his creations would be allowed to live up to their full potential as better than human. Rachel and possibly Deckard are his own scheme to subvert the laws. And I do think he tries to reason with Roy in good faith-- it’s really just the Frankenstein situation where his hubris catches up to him and the monster he created to improve on humanity ends up destroying him.

I believe that was Zhora.

Nitpick: The replicant’s name was “Rachael.”

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The one that was stripping with a snake?

The one that showed her 'leet 'ssassin skills by running shown the street and getting shot?

But yeah, there’s a quote confirming that on IMDB.

Wait … wait just a second. You guys are wondering about the details of the VK test when it was an idiotic plot device in the first place. They had all the info on the replicants in the first place. Pictures and everything. What was Holden even doing the test on Leon in the first place? Let alone without a pat down, security, cuffs, etc. It was implied that you couldn’t retire a replicant without confirming they were one by running the VK test first. But note that Deckard didn’t use one on Zhora or Pris. He just shot them. Shoot, Zhora was escaping at the time. If Holden wasn’t sure Leon was a replicant, how could Deckard be sure? (And killing a human that was all strangly and looked like a replicant would be very bad.)

Tyrell wouldn’t necessarily know the production details of his giant company. But since Blade Runners like Deckard had to be replicants, he would implicitly know.

Tyrell presumably recognized Roy from the same data Bryant had. He even knew his name.

Tyrell was curious about whether replicants with memory implants would discover for themselves if they were replicants. He knew Rachael was catching on. Having Deckard do the VK test was more for checking to see if Deckard was going to catch on as well. Making the “How could it not know …” line quite interesting to Tyrell. Ditto Rachael’s asking Deckard if he ever ran that test on himself.

Bryant and Gaff would know. Gaff was Deckard’s “minder”. Note that they are unsuitable for going off world. Too old and lame, respectively. Gaff in particular knew about the unicorn memory implant.

Only replicants kill advanced life forms (turtles and up, but not bugs down).

If Gaff was Deckard’s minder, why did he let him skip town?

If the VK test was fake, how did Deckard spot Racheal? (Tyrell told him he wanted to see a negative. He put the suggestion into Deckards mind that Racheal was human.)

On the one hand, it’s the least Gaff can do; Deckard’s done a man’s job. On the other hand – hey, if he’s a replicant he’ll be dead in maybe four more days anyway. :wink:

But they were shooting replicants out of hand. They had a department in the police force devoted just to that. They didn’t say “fuck it, they’re just gonna die soon anyway.”.

Unless you thought Gaff was getting soft in his old age…

Hey, those were replicants who knew they were replicants. Specifically, angry replicants who knew they didn’t have decades of life ahead of 'em.

Sure, why not?

I’ve managed to not get this from the movie, but it has been a while. What information is there that makes this a plausible conclusion?

It’s reported over the LAPD radio when Deckard is sitting in his car in the rain, isn’t it?

Holden was doing the test as a routine employment screening. I’m not sure at the time Tyrell Corp or Holden knew there was a recent batch of replicant escapees on Earth. Plus, the identities of most replicants is probably classified, as the people and organizations that could afford them, use them for things like assassination, seduction, among other things. Having unique features that don’t show up on routine ID scans, etc. is probably the way they are designed. A whole identical model series like the Cylons in Battlestar Galactica would make it too easy to ID them.

I don’t think there is a requirement to VK test replicants before killing them. Deckard had files on these replicants, and knew he’d found one. The game was using Zhora to lead him to the rest, but Zhora was too suspicious.

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He’s buckin for promotion, according to Ford’s narration. Numbers of body bags count, not feelings of mercy. :slight_smile:

Who knows. If Gaff realises that the Tyrell corporation may have been releasing replicants “back into the mainstream” with no drop dead dates encoded in them for a while now, he may get blase’ about his job. Just going through the motions. Pointless trying to stick your finger in the dike now.

I don’t think that’s right. IIRC, Bryant said he sent Holden over to screen the new Tyrell corporation employees as a response to the new replicants reaching Earth. However, perhaps Holden recognised Leon, but was playing him in the hope of getting a lead on the others. Possibly the same reason that Deckard doesn’t shoot Zhora straight away.

Compassion maybe? Or possibly indifference, or a bit of both.

Bryant, in the briefing, told Deckard about the escape of the replicants 2 weeks ago, the shuttle being found offshore, that 2 (in the latest version) got fried trying to break into Tyrell corporation and that he sent Holden over to run VK tests on the new employees.

Holden works for Bryant in the Blade Runner Unit. It is ridiculous to think that they didn’t know the IDs of the surviving replicants 2 weeks after the mutiny when Holden was sent over, but shortly thereafter when Bryant was briefing Deckard.

Note that the Nexus 6 replicants are special. The opening crawl only mentions them as being banned from Earth. (But no other type of humanoid replicant seems to be mentioned on Earth. Not counting the friends Sebastian made.) They appear to be the only models with a built in life span. Some of them, e.g., Rachael, have memory implants. No reason to assume Roy, et al., have them.

Getting back to Tyrell vs. Roy. Tyrell seemed to enjoy playing games with people/replicants. Hence the bit with asking Deckard to indulge him performing the test on Rachael. Even him creating Rachael appears to be for his own amusement. Throw in the interest in chess, etc., and one can see how he might want to “play” with Roy. Roy took him on and won. Tyrell is the human king, Sebastian the human pawn. Game over.

Note: I didn’t say the VK test itself was useless, I just said as a plot device it has issues.

(Things to worry about at 11:13 at night. I wrote “turtle” earlier. Should have wrote “tortoise”. Oops.)

Oh, Okay. I agree with you guys then. Holden should have ID’d Leon before the meeting, and if his goal was to follow Leon to the other replicants, the last thing he’d want to do is haul the poor guy into an intimidating replicant-finder meeting.

Puffs on cigarette, “same thing.”

Wait… Greedo shot a replicant?

Seriously, I’m using this with my friends.

But I can trump your “Is Rick a Replicant?” uncertainty … the theater I saw BR over and over in had a damaged print, so they cut from the end of a reel to the next one early. So, everyone in Wauwatosa missed the reveal that Rachel was a replicant.
So the ending with “How long do we have together?” had even more weight: OUR Deckard didn’t even KNOW she was artificial, just suspected.

I always assumed the VK test requirement was a bit of theater to placate a nervous public worried that replicants will be infiltrating society, so its probably very common before getting a job or ID etc. Deckard says he has never run the VK test on a human, but if they were screening all new employees at Tyrell obviously some humans have been tested. I think Deckard was speaking personally.