# Blade Runner's court statement - what ya think? guilty or Not? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 20, 2013, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845 "2013-02-20T01:47:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/61 "2013-02-22T09:59:29Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I do think the forensics ought to make it obvious if he was wearing his prosthetics when he shot her. The defense’s story is that he felt vulnerable because he wasn’t wearing them, but the prosecution suggested that putting the blades on was part of his deliberation before killing her, and at some point in the bail hearing I think the defense argued that the prosecution can’t prove when he did put them on. Why mention that if you’re sure the forensics will show he was not wearing the blades when he killed her? If the forensic post-mortem was done with the same level of competence and with the body cremated I’m sure the defence can conjur up world experts to cast enough doubt on it not to count. That leaves the angle of bullet entry through the door, which was smashed up by the guy to get in. Anyone want to bet how secure the SA branch of the Keystone Cops evidence trail on this will be? Or if it won’t become mysteriously ‘lost’? Yea, when it comes to justice for rich, famous people in corrupt nations I’m a cynic. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/62 "2013-02-22T10:00:05Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Ok, that one made me chuckle. 😛 It is only in poor taste when it isn’t funny. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/63 "2013-02-22T13:42:10Z")
> [@solosam](#): > > …As I’ve mentioned before, firing without identifying your target is profoundly negligent… Of course he identified his target. His target was the door, which I’m sure was a really scary door. And he hit it with every shot. > [@colander](#): > > Am I the only one who finds it amusing that **Ambivalid** is leading a crusade against hacky offensive one-liners? Can you play hackey with those blade things? In one sense it’d be easier, you don’t have the curve of the top of your foot to be worried. But if you have to bend a knee to the side to hit with the side of your foot, you might actually slice the hackey in half! ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/64 "2013-02-22T14:30:57Z")
Well, he’s got bail. I wonder which country he’ll fetch up in eventually. SA seems to have treaties with most the non-shithole places. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/65 "2013-02-22T15:14:29Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > Well, he’s got bail. I wonder which country he’ll fetch up in eventually. SA seems to have treaties with most the non-shithole places. If the trial is being rigged for him, fleeing the country would be dumb. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/66 "2013-02-22T15:31:20Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > Well, he’s got bail. I wonder which country he’ll fetch up in eventually. SA seems to have treaties with most the non-shithole places. does he have to wear an ankle bracelet? ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/67 "2013-02-22T16:07:16Z")
[These are the conditions of bail.](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2013/feb/22/oscar-pistorius-bail-decision-live-coverage) > [@](#): > > Upon payment of the 100,000 rand he must be released with the following conditions: > > [ul] > [li]He appears in court on 4 June at 8.30am.[/li] > [li]He surrenders all passports.[/li] > [li]He refrains from applying for any passports.[/li] > [li]He refrains from entering any airport.[/li] > [li]He surrenders all firearms.[/li] > [li]He refrains from possessing any firearms.[/li] > [li]He refrains from talking to any witnesses for the prosecution.[/li] > [li]He will have a probation officer and correctional official from the date of release until the conclusion of the case.[/li] > [li]He shall inform the official of all his movements and ask for permission for any journeys outside Pretoria.[/li] > [li]He shall give them a phone number and must be contactable day and night.[/li] > [li]He must not be charged with an offence of violence against women.[/li] > [li]He must not use drugs or alcohol.[/li] > [li]He must not return to his home and must not make contact with any residents of his estate except the Stander family.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/68 "2013-02-22T16:11:46Z")
Why can’t he go to his home? Is it still an active crime scene even more than a week after the fact? ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/69 "2013-02-22T16:18:46Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Why can’t he go to his home? Is it still an active crime scene even more than a week after the fact? I assume, since it’s mentioned alongside not communicating with other residents of the estate, that it may be to prevent him coming into contact with potential witnesses who live in the estate. I’d imagine he probably doesn’t want to go back there anyway. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/70 "2013-02-22T16:56:28Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > does he have to wear an ankle bracelet? Apparently not. I have no idea why. 🙂 I guess with no jury trial there’s only a judge or 2 to buy off so maybe he won’t have to flee. ---
**Author:** ![Disheavel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Disheavel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disheavel)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/71 "2013-02-22T17:11:14Z")
I wonder if the Prosecution’s secret weapon is urine. I don’t want to bladder on, but it seems to me that if there was tinkle in the toilet, she was in there legitimately (pants down around her ankles adds to that point). But if the body had pants pulled up and a full bladder, hiding from a crazed boyfriend seems more likely (especially given the story that he went out to the deck, closed doors, fetched gun, yelled out, etc. and the time that would allow a depressurization to occur). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/72 "2013-02-22T17:30:26Z")
> [@](#): > > He must not be charged with an offence of violence against women. If he poisons the next woman instead of shooting her, would that be considered “violent”? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/73 "2013-02-22T17:38:32Z")
> [@Disheavel](#): > > I wonder if the Prosecution’s secret weapon is urine. The defense says her bladder was empty. But whatever the state of the evidence I don’t understand how he can be out on bail in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/74 "2013-02-22T17:47:53Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > If he poisons the next woman instead of shooting her, would that be considered “violent”? Or beats a man to death…that’s okay? ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/75 "2013-02-22T17:48:19Z")
He claims he saw that the window was open in the bathroom, but the door to the toilet room was shut and locked and I don’t see any other windows in the bathroom besides the toilet room window. So… say what?? Even if his story is 100% true, he’s a murderer. And an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/76 "2013-02-22T17:49:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > But whatever the state of the evidence I don’t understand how he can be out on bail in this situation. Because the question of bail is not so much about the strength of the evidence against him, but about the likelihood that he will jump bail, interfere with witnesses or commit another crime. And because accused persons are constitutionally entitled to bail as long as it is compatible with the interests of justice. To understand the bail issue, I recommend this article; in fact De Vos’s coverage of South African legal issues is very interesting in general. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/77 "2013-02-22T17:50:51Z")
> [@Disheavel](#): > > I wonder if the Prosecution’s secret weapon is urine. Isn’t he in jail for killing some other girl in Peru? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/78 "2013-02-22T17:51:51Z")
> [@Sterling\_Archer](#): > > He claims he saw that the window was open in the bathroom, but the door to the toilet room was shut and locked and I don’t see any other windows in the bathroom besides the toilet room window. So… say what?? Yes, that’s very confusing. Maybe he means the larger window near the tub? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/79 "2013-02-22T20:08:34Z")
Bail doesn’t surprise me. I am surprised that he wasn’t required to wear a tracking collar. That’s pretty standard in the US. Any ideas why he’s barred from returning to his house? Thats a weird bail condition that I’ve never heard of before. The crime scene has been processed. They were probably in that house several days searching all the rooms. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845/80 "2013-02-22T20:12:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Any ideas why he’s barred from returning to his house? Thats a weird bail condition that I’ve never heard of before. The crime scene has been processed. Possibly to keep him from tampering with witnesses? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blade-runners-court-statement-what-ya-think-guilty-or-not/650845.md?page=5)