# Blind student gets beaten up and the kid that comes to help him gets suspended. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 25, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496 "2015-09-25T16:32:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/21 "2015-09-25T19:16:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But there’s nothing in that report that says the student who broke up the fight was suspended. You asked for verification by the real media. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/22 "2015-09-25T19:17:32Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > I wonder how many supporting the rescuer would style themselves as non-interventionists or even isolationists when it comes to foreign policy. > > Someone should’ve shouted “WORLD STAR!” > > A vicious punch. Laid the guy out on the concrete. He was bleeding from the head. You can put someone in a coma or even kill them with one good punch. And? The rescuer stopped an unprovoked and dangerous physical confrontation. What would you have done? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/23 "2015-09-25T19:39:14Z")
I’ve taken out your petition link, **aceplace**. You’re not allowed to ask for things like that without prior permission. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/24 "2015-09-25T19:47:59Z")
I read a headline like this, where everything is so purely black and white, and me first reaction is always “yeah… I’m not being told the whole story.” ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/25 "2015-09-25T19:52:58Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > So what? You see someone being attacked and you decide to record it instead of intervening or going for help? Because you can be suspended or worse for intervening. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/26 "2015-09-25T19:53:51Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > A vicious punch. Laid the guy out on the concrete. He was bleeding from the head. You can put someone in a coma or even kill them with one good punch. I have no problem with Kid 3 coming to defense of Blind Kid, but yeah, falling on concrete head first can kill a person, and if Kid Toque had died, Kid 3 would have been responsible for his death; what with sucker punching him from behind like that. I don’t know what the law is in California, but I know that here in Nevada, fighting is a crime and Kid 3 might have faced a manslaughter charge if Kid Toque had died, since he wasn’t defending himself but instead had jumped into a fight. I seriously doubt a jury would have convicted him (I know I wouldn’t); I’m just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Sario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sario/32/18580_2.png) [@Sario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sario)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/27 "2015-09-25T19:55:33Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > According to the news articles, there are very few, and hardly none that are reputable. > > But according to **madsircools** ’ link the “blind” kid and the one who was hitting him have a history of not getting along and when they passed each other in the hall a verbal altercation started. > > Someone captured a youtube comment before the video was removed > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/gNPcoL3.png) > > It says that the “blind” kid, Austin, is half-blind and minorly autistic and that Austin was the one who was trying to fight Noah, the kid punching him in the video. And that everyone was being an asshole. > > Maybe we should wait for the full story come out before we do the usually social media thing of flipping out without context and knowing the full story. I’m quoting this because I thought Dopers knew better than to blindly believe headlines. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/28 "2015-09-25T19:57:32Z")
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**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/29 "2015-09-25T20:04:30Z")
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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/30 "2015-09-25T20:22:11Z")
When my son was in grade school he saw two kids beating up a special-ed classmate. He stepped in and ended up beating up the two aggressors. He got a three day suspension. I fought it and lost (zero tolerance), so I took three days off from work to take my son out for three days of fun during his suspension. The system may suck sometimes, but it can be gamed. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/31 "2015-09-25T21:23:07Z")
Breaking up a fight doesn’t involve throwing punches. That’s how brawls start. You think schools have nothing better to do than try to figure out who said what, who threw the first punch, listen to a bunch of he-said he-said bullshit, and try to find some innocent hero in this mess? F that. You know the rules. No fighting. That means no fighting. You want to throw a punch to be a hero? You face the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/32 "2015-09-25T21:28:33Z")
Ahem. > [@](#): > > But the Huntington Beach Union High School District says the Cody was never removed from the team because he hasn’t played since last spring. > > Cody will not be suspended for stepping in to help the student, the district said. > **[California teen seen in video jumping in to stop bully attack](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-video-shows-o-c-teen-beating-visually-impaired-student-arrest-made-20150924-story.html)** > > A Huntington Beach teen is gaining national attention for his swift actions after a video shows him knocking out a bully who was attacking a visually impaired student. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/33 "2015-09-25T21:37:20Z")
😃 that’s great news. Glad to hear that the kid that put down the bully won’t be suspended. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/34 "2015-09-25T21:49:02Z")
Um, yeah. The article now says the nothing happened to the defender at all. While I wouldn’t have been surprised at another ridiculous situation as described in the OP in this case it didn’t happen. Still missing is any action against the other kids who stood by and watched a blind kid get beat up. ---
**Author:** ![JKilez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@JKilez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKilez)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/35 "2015-09-25T21:55:13Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Still missing is any action against the other kids who stood by and watched a blind kid get beat up. You mean the budding, young journalists? ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/36 "2015-09-25T22:00:04Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > 😃 that’s great news. Glad to hear that the kid that put down the bully won’t be suspended. Yeah, you could have figured that out for yourself if you had read your own link before posting. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/37 "2015-09-25T22:02:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I have no problem with Kid 3 coming to defense of Blind Kid, but yeah, falling on concrete head first can kill a person, and if Kid Toque had died, Kid 3 would have been responsible for his death; what with sucker punching him from behind like that. I don’t know what the law is in California, but I know that here in Nevada, fighting is a crime and Kid 3 might have faced a manslaughter charge if Kid Toque had died, since he wasn’t defending himself but instead had jumped into a fight. > > I seriously doubt a jury would have convicted him (I know I wouldn’t); I’m just sayin’. In Wisconsin you can come to someone else’s defense using what is basically self defense rules. That is, using just enough force to stop the attack. For example, if you came up to me and started hitting me, I could punch you in the face, I couldn’t, however, pull out a knife and stab you in the stomach unless I feared for my life. Same here, if this was in Wisconsin, and you were beating me up, a third person can use necessary force to stop the fight. If a sucker punch to the back of the head is what it take, so be it. Again, if they were to stab the aggressor, that would probably be seen as taking it to far. Cite: > [@](#): > > CHAPTER 939. CRIMES — GENERAL PROVISIONS > > SUBCHAPTER III. DEFENSES TO CRIMINAL LIABILITY > > 939.48  Self-defense and defense of others. > > (1) A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself. > > \ > > (4) A person is privileged to defend a 3rd person from real or apparent unlawful interference by another under the same conditions and by the same means as those under and by which the person is privileged to defend himself or herself from real or apparent unlawful interference, provided that the person reasonably believes that the facts are such that the 3rd person would be privileged to act in self-defense and that the person’s intervention is necessary for the protection of the 3rd person. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/38 "2015-09-25T22:06:57Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Yeah, you could have figured that out for yourself if you had read your own link before posting. Seems like that exact sentence comes up in all these threads. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/39 "2015-09-25T22:39:18Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Yeah, you could have figured that out for yourself if you had read your own link before posting. No I couldn’t. The article was updated several hours after this thread was started. The school just announced their decision a short time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/40 "2015-09-25T23:04:48Z")
Well, y’know, we teach our kids to stand up for what’s right… and then it seems that every authority figure in his life has a different idea of “what’s right,” ranging from “don’t fight back if attacked, because then you’re as bad as he is,” to “cheerfully rat out your friends.” Public schools are in the business of making every single parent happy, which is impossible, particularly in this day and age. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496.md?page=3)