# Blind student gets beaten up and the kid that comes to help him gets suspended. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 25, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496 "2015-09-25T16:32:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/41 "2015-09-26T07:59:10Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > When my son was in grade school he saw two kids beating up a special-ed classmate. He stepped in and ended up beating up the two aggressors. He got a three day suspension. I fought it and lost (zero tolerance), so I took three days off from work to take my son out for three days of fun during his suspension. > > The system may suck sometimes, but it can be gamed. You’re a great parent. I’ve had that talk with my kids, that they have my 100% support if they get suspended. and while I expect the to use good judgement, I also expect them to stand up for what’s right. They have special needs little sister and understand this better than most. ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/42 "2015-09-26T11:33:23Z")
These wimpy liberals who cant understand that a single punch is sometimes more effective than several hours or days of teaching and consultative talks. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/43 "2015-09-26T15:23:28Z")
> [@Sario](#): > > I’m quoting this because I thought Dopers knew better than to blindly believe headlines. Not **aceplace**. The only thing he does on this site is blindly believe headlines that come from the Daily Mail. Read any of his threads and they are all exactly the same. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/44 "2015-09-26T16:45:28Z")
My dad always said that if you want to fight, don’t do it at school. You get suspended or expelled. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/45 "2015-09-27T04:07:40Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > So what? You see someone being attacked and you decide to record it instead of intervening or going for help? I don’t see a problem with it. You may get your ass kicked-or, suspended or thrown off the football team. You may not know the whole of the story, as we see from an earlier post, where it states that the blind (half-blind; WTF does that mean???) kid apparently started it, if I interpreted it correctly. Observing and reporting may be the best thing, as it can give irrefutable facts to those who will make decisions in the case’s disposition. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/46 "2015-09-27T04:10:37Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Breaking up a fight doesn’t involve throwing punches. That’s how brawls start. Wrong on the first sentence. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong on the second. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/47 "2015-09-27T04:13:31Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > When my son was in grade school he saw two kids beating up a special-ed classmate. He stepped in and ended up beating up the two aggressors. He got a three day suspension. I fought it and lost (zero tolerance), so I took three days off from work to take my son out for three days of fun during his suspension. > > The system may suck sometimes, but it can be gamed. My niece and brother and I were taking a karate class together when she was 12 or 13. Some girl came and gave her some shit then attacked her. My niece used her karate moves and kicked the shit out of her assailant. They suspended both of them for some days. I was proud of my niece and gave her $100. She said “That’s the same thing my dad did!” Glad that you went the extra mile in raising your son, **kayaker**. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/48 "2015-09-27T04:30:57Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > , where it states that the blind (half-blind; WTF does that mean???) Blindness is not just total darkness. Some legally blind folk can see various levels of light and dark and/or vague shapes. There’s also uncorrectable vision, severe tunnel vision and so on. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/49 "2015-09-27T04:40:12Z")
> [@Briny\_Deep](#): > > Why not hold the administration legally responsible for the beating of the blind kid? _ **They’re entirely negligent of their in loco parentis duties** _ – that another kid had to step in to defend the victim is proof enough. IOW: “Upholding a fine, upright, 100-year old American tradition of willfully turning a blind eye to violence committed by thugs and the ‘beautiful people,’, as well as the physical and psychological torment and terrorism maliciously inflicted upon the weak and helpless.” Kinda like our foreign policy. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/50 "2015-09-27T04:46:23Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Yeah, you could have figured that out for yourself if you had read your own link before posting. You expect _waaaaay_ too much from the OP. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/51 "2015-09-27T04:54:33Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Ahem.] Just goes to show some useful rules of thumb for life: - The first report is always wrong in some way. - Complex interaction described in simplistic, black and white terms, are usually missing something. - Garbage in, garbage out. Detailed analysis of garbage is still garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/52 "2015-09-27T05:13:22Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > These wimpy liberals who cant understand that a single punch is sometimes more effective than several hours or days of teaching and consultative talks. Let’s leave politics out of threads like these. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/53 "2015-09-27T06:12:33Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Not **aceplace**. The only thing he does on this site is blindly believe headlines that come from the Daily Mail. Read any of his threads and they are all exactly the same. But you see, there just isn’t time to try to figure out what actually happened. These are dire world-events of the highest importance–events that are of far-reaching concern across the globe–we need to have a thread about these austere events _ **as soon as possible** _, so that we can weigh in and present our critical opinions _ **immediately** _, and let the world leaders know what we think they should do–or even better, what they should’ve done. We can figure out what actually happened later. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/54 "2015-09-27T08:31:04Z")
You know as well as I do that everybody on the net posts news threads shortly after they are reported. The thread discussion changes as new details are reported. That’s exactly what occurred in this thread. It turned out that the school made the correct decision. The best outcome possible. What a joke. You expect people to post stale news? Get real. :rolleyes: btw you do know there was a petition with almost 30,000 signatures supporting this kid? 30,000 people were concerned enough to take time out of their day to support a kid that stood up to defend his blind friend. I signed that petition and I’d do it again in a heartbeat. This was a legitimate news story that concerned a lot of people and it deserved to be posted here. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/55 "2015-09-27T08:39:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > You know as well as I do that everybody on the net posts news threads shortly after they are reported. The thread discussion changes as new details are reported. That’s exactly what occurred in this thread. It turned out that the school made the correct decision. The best outcome possible. > > What a joke. You expect people to post stale news? Get real. :rolleyes: > > btw you do know there was a petition with almost 30,000 signatures supporting this kid? 30,000 people were concerned enough to take time out of their day to support a kid that stood up to defend his blind friend. I signed that petition and I’d do it again in a heartbeat. This was a legitimate news story that concerned a lot of people and it deserved to be posted here. I think that a healthy dose of scepticism when dealing with sensational headlines is important. Not just in this case, but all the time. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/56 "2015-09-27T08:53:40Z")
True. But this wasn’t a sensational headline. One poster here had a kid suspended for exactly the same thing. Fighting to protect a special-ed student. Zero tolerance policies often result in stupid administrative decisions that don’t consider the specific circumstances. Its been discussed in this thread. Nearly everyone expected this kid to get suspended under the school’s zero tolerance policy on violence. The news story simply confirmed what we expected to hear. Thats why the online petition was quickly started. Everyone expected a fight to pressure the school to reconsider. Fortunately it turned out somebody in that school actually looked at the facts and didn’t just broadly apply the zero policy rule on fighting. That was the right decision. > [@kayaker](#): > > When my son was in grade school he saw two kids beating up a special-ed classmate. He stepped in and ended up beating up the two aggressors. He got a three day suspension. I fought it and lost (zero tolerance), so I took three days off from work to take my son out for three days of fun during his suspension. > > The system may suck sometimes, but it can be gamed. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/57 "2015-09-27T09:18:41Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > True. But this wasn’t a sensational headline. One poster here had a kid suspended for exactly the same thing. Fighting to protect a special-ed student. It is. If it’s a headline designed to get a rise out of their readers, that’s sensationalism. The language is exaggerated to lead you into becoming outraged. “Blind kid” instead of the most truthful “visually impaired”, for instance. You should be very careful with those. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/58 "2015-09-27T09:56:15Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Maybe we should wait for the full story come out before we do the usually social media thing of flipping out without context and knowing the full story. You don’t know the OP, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/59 "2015-09-27T17:46:08Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Only in America, A partially blind kid is beaten by a bully. Another kid punches the bully out. His Reward? Suspended and kicked off the football team. > > you gotta love this fucked up logic. :rolleyes: The defender’s parents need to IMMEDIATELY file a massive lawsuit against the school board and the principal, and not back down. They need to have local TV and radio stations camped in the school’s office. The only way to get zero-tolerance idiocy like this removed is to point out publicly how moronic it is. In a nutshell: nobody, absolutely nobody, has the authority to tell someone that they cannot defend themself or another against a physical attack. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496/60 "2015-09-27T18:44:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > The defender’s parents need to IMMEDIATELY file a massive lawsuit against the school board and the principal, and not back down. They need to have local TV and radio stations camped in the school’s office. The kid wasn’t suspended or removed from the football team (he actually wasn’t playing for the team) - no need to worry. Read the updates in the thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blind-student-gets-beaten-up-and-the-kid-that-comes-to-help-him-gets-suspended/732496.md?page=4)