# Bloomberg anti-gun lies dealt another blow **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155 "2018-01-08T19:26:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/61 "2018-01-09T00:53:20Z")
You’re FLOUNCING, right? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/62 "2018-01-09T00:54:30Z")
> [@BlueMerle](#): > > I’m going to give y’all the last word here. It’s clear that a pro gun pov isn’t welcome or tolerated here. Bullshit-You’ve got a whole fucking thread in MPSIMS that is so “pro-gun” that ONLY gun-positive stories are allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/63 "2018-01-09T00:56:57Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Sorry the first 2 links are not sources to be trusted in the least. I’ll look at the GAO report though. The first two links were commenting on the report in the third link, and were quite accurate. ---
**Author:** ![BlueMerle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BlueMerle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMerle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/64 "2018-01-09T00:57:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Bullshit-You’ve got a whole fucking thread in MPSIMS that is so “pro-gun” that ONLY gun-positive stories are allowed. Cite? IOW, provide a link to that thread. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/65 "2018-01-09T00:57:46Z")
> [@naita](#): > > So let me see if I have managed to piece this together from the given sources: > > 1. In 2011, or a million years ago in Internet time, there was a study showing 62% of private sellers didn’t care if a buyer might not pass a background check. > 2. In 2017, as part of a review of ATF enforcement of appropriate laws, private sellers appear to care when _told_ that a buyer is prohibited from buying firearms. > 3. There’s no statistics on how many ATF investigations involve the internet and the ATF doesn’t investigate private sellers unless they receive a tip. > 4. Profit > > Is really “Hey you’re fine with shipping out of state, right?” (just over one third of the sales) and “Hey you’re fine with shipping to someone with a prohibited status, right?” (stopped another third and) the best way to determine whether it’s easy to obtain a gun illegally online? I don’t have the energy or interest to waste my time reading any of them dad-gum stud-eze things, but if **naita** ’s summary is to be believed, weren’t the 2011 and 2017 studies carried out so differently that it’s asinine to claim that the latter refutes the former? I mean, yes, Fox and the NRA are entirely composed of assholes so this sort of thing is to be expect of them, but it behooves people who post on this board to not make a similar error/sleazy misrepresentation. Presuming, of course, that **naita** ’s summary is to be believed. But since the alternative is having to actually read the study-things myself, I’m inclined at the moment to take their word. ---
**Author:** ![BlueMerle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BlueMerle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMerle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/66 "2018-01-09T00:59:57Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You’re FLOUNCING, right? Still no evidence? Aww… I wonder if that’s considered trolling? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/67 "2018-01-09T01:00:06Z")
> [@BlueMerle](#): > > I’m going to give y’all the last word here… Not exactly an accurate statement. But I’ll give you this: It passes the Fox “News” litmus test for accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![BlueMerle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BlueMerle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMerle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/68 "2018-01-09T01:01:04Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Not exactly an accurate statement. But I’ll give you this: It passes the Fox “News” litmus test for accuracy. ehh… I’m human, I can change, if I have to, I guess… ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/69 "2018-01-09T01:02:12Z")
> [@BlueMerle](#): > > Still no evidence? > > Aww… > > I wonder if that’s considered trolling? You need to PM Clothahump, he’s the other retard in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![BlueMerle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BlueMerle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMerle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/70 "2018-01-09T01:04:13Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You need to PM Clothahump, he’s the other retard in this thread. Still no evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/71 "2018-01-09T01:06:21Z")
Mods need evidence. All I need is a strong suspicion, and of course, a useful idiot playing into my hand. Does that help? ---
**Author:** ![BlueMerle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BlueMerle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMerle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/72 "2018-01-09T01:08:30Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Mods need evidence. All I need is a strong suspicion, and of course, a useful idiot playing into my hand. > Does that help? still no evidence? you’re only recourse in name calling? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/73 "2018-01-09T01:13:22Z")
> [@BlueMerle](#): > > Cite? > > IOW, provide a link to that thread. [Here you go, troll:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=773012) over 1200 posts in the “Positive Gun News of the Day” thread, and counting. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/74 "2018-01-09T01:13:52Z")
You’re still wearing your Fox News goggles. It’s making you paranoid. ---
**Author:** ![BlueMerle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BlueMerle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMerle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/75 "2018-01-09T01:16:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Here you go, troll:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=773012) over 1200 posts in the “Positive Gun News of the Day” thread, and counting. That’s not my thread. And thanks for the name calling. ---
**Author:** ![BlueMerle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BlueMerle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMerle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/76 "2018-01-09T01:17:52Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You’re still wearing your Fox News goggles. It’s making you paranoid. And you still can’t provide a shred of evidence, now can you? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/77 "2018-01-09T01:18:01Z")
> [@BlueMerle](#): > > I’m going to give y’all the last word here. It’s clear that a pro gun pov isn’t welcome or tolerated here. As evidenced by many of the comments and the fact that this thread was moved to the Pit and not Great Debates. Welcome to the Straight Dope. It seems the Teeming Millions were remiss in offering you a proper welcome. Not my call about the move from IMHO to the Pit, but I’d say the OP isn’t really asking for debate. You’re relatively new to the boards and it takes a bit to get acclimated but I will say that pro gun POVs are certainly welcome, as are opposing views. Evidence based arguments are even more welcome. I hope you enjoy your stay. ETA: the rules for each forum are a bit different and I always encourage new posters to become familiar with them so as to get an idea of what to expect. Some individual forums will have their specific rules as a sticky at the top of the forum, but if not, the general rules in ATMB forum apply. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/78 "2018-01-09T01:21:00Z")
> [@BlueMerle](#): > > And you still can’t provide a shred of evidence, now can you? You’re doing that, one nail at a time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BlueMerle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BlueMerle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMerle)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/79 "2018-01-09T01:21:13Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Welcome to the Straight Dope. It seems the Teeming Millions were remiss in offering you a proper welcome. Not my call about the move from IMHO to the Pit, but I’d say the OP isn’t really asking for debate. You’re relatively new to the boards and it takes a bit to get acclimated but I will say that pro gun POVs are certainly welcome, as are opposing views. Evidence based arguments are even more welcome. I hope you enjoy your stay. By evidence based arguments do you mean those that have called me a troll or an idiot or a retard? Do you have any control over that? Just curious. TIA ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155/80 "2018-01-09T01:22:12Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > The first two links were commenting on the report in the third link, and were quite accurate. Says the chump who [evidently thinks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20710520#post20710520) [this](http://www.pacificpundit.com/2018/01/05/wolff-book-admits-bs-baldly-untrue/) is quite accurate. That’s also where you get your [talking points about Obama](http://www.pacificpundit.com/obama-satire/one-big-awful-mistake-america-obama/), right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bloomberg-anti-gun-lies-dealt-another-blow/806155.md?page=5)