# Boardwalk Empire is back! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 26, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681 "2011-09-26T18:15:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/61 "2011-12-06T01:56:01Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > It’s step (2) that seems weak to me, and so it feels like I’m missing something. It’s a bit odd to me as well, but one thing is that he may not have the money. Remember all of these deals he has been setting up have yet to fully pan out. Owen blew up his booze, then Nucky undercut him in Atlantic City with his cheap Irish whiskey, forcing that road trip to unload the dilute “medicinal alcohol.” He keeps getting by going more into debt with the idea of future profits bailing him out and $5,000 is serious scratch in the 1920’s/30’s. Now surely the Commodore or his rich backers could foot the bill, but maybe they refuse on principle or maybe Darmody is too proud ( quite possible ) to ask. But meanwhile Manny was his first debt and has been continually prodding him, while Darmody has been shown to be a wee bit hair-triggered when pushed. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/62 "2011-12-06T03:32:34Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > I couldn’t figure out why the Commodore would try to defend Gillian after her smackdown of him when he had the stroke. 0 I think it’s because they all, in their own effed up way, love each other. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/63 "2011-12-06T19:51:47Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Does anybody know why the DVD of season 1 hasn’t been released yet? Don’t know, I’m totally pissed, wanted to get it for my dad, he’s a Soprano lover and a history nut, he’d love this. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/64 "2011-12-06T20:55:49Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > I was a little confused at what happened with Van Alden. He was about to be arrested for the murder of his partner. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/65 "2011-12-07T19:58:36Z")
In the scene in which Owen ran into an acquaintance in a bar and they get into a knife fight in the men’s room, it sounded like they had Belfast accents. Did I hear that right? ---
**Author:** ![palacheck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a88e57/32.png) [@palacheck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/palacheck)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/66 "2011-12-07T21:17:35Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > In the scene in which Owen ran into an acquaintance in a bar and they get into a knife fight in the men’s room, it sounded like they had Belfast accents. Did I hear that right? Yes. Owen had a garrote and the man had a knife. The man’s name was Del Grogan and apparently he’d informed on “the cause”(Sinn Fein) to the Black and Tans and then fled to America. Owen had been looking for him for a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Private\_Bin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c0e974/32.png) [@Private\_Bin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Private_Bin)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/67 "2011-12-08T01:30:30Z")
> [@palacheck](#): > > Yes. Owen had a garrote and the man had a knife. > > The man’s name was Del Grogan and apparently he’d informed on “the cause”(Sinn Fein) to the Black and Tans and then fled to America. Owen had been looking for him for a few months. Owen likes to work his backdoor pilots in like it’s not even a thing ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/68 "2011-12-08T01:36:41Z")
> [@palacheck](#): > > Yes. Owen had a garrote and the man had a knife. I wasn’t aware that “garrote” and “knife” were names of accents in Ulster. 😃 Seriously, I was asking about their accents. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/69 "2011-12-08T14:10:56Z")
Question, at the end of the episode, when Gillian says to Jimmy: “I’ll be upstairs” or “I’ll be in bed” (I can’t recall the exact wording), are we to assume that: 1. he is now sleeping with her regularly, or 2. she is so deluded to think that she has replaced Angela in every capacity ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/70 "2011-12-10T01:38:26Z")
I’m glad they’ve finally given Nucky a worthy adversary in the form of the DA. I like the show, but it kinda suffered from Nucky not having anyone in is weight class to go up against. Darmody’s self-sabotaging kept him from being an effective foil, Van Alden’s too dysfunctional, the Commadore looked like he’d be a good villain until he had his stroke, Eli’s too stupid, etc. etc. But yea, good show. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/71 "2011-12-10T02:41:19Z")
I was rocked when Angela and Louise were killed. I was not expecting that. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/72 "2011-12-10T18:26:55Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > Question, at the end of the episode, when Gillian says to Jimmy: > > “I’ll be upstairs” or “I’ll be in bed” (I can’t recall the exact wording), > > are we to assume that: > > 1. he is now sleeping with her regularly, or > 2. she is so deluded to think that she has replaced Angela in every capacity I think Gillian is one delusional sociopath, so I don’t think doing the nasty with Jimmy is a “regular” occurance. She may think it’s time to re-kindle this sick relationship now that Angela is out of the way. However, I think that Jimmy is truly grieving the loss of Angela. He was so strung out on blow when he almost killed Gillian for saying that Tommy will hardly remember Angela, that he knows her presence is the root of the problem and yet he can’t walk away from it. She is supremely manipulative, knows how messed up he was and used that knowledge to finish the Commodore. Gillian is trying desperately to wipe away any good memory of Angela and will happily replace her in the bedroom, either Jimmy climbs the stairs or he stays at the murder scene. Either way he’s doomed. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/73 "2011-12-11T23:20:55Z")
[This is awesome](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Iwio2YH1I&feature=channel_video_title) ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/74 "2011-12-12T04:13:33Z")
Wow, that was a hell of a finale! ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/75 "2011-12-12T04:14:27Z")
Not gonna lie, I am bummed at Jimmy’s demise. This show is so excellent though. Michael Pitt drew an amazing character, and the camera just loves him. I think the show took a risk to bump off someone who is a popular character like Jimmy, but it’s one of those risks that could have a great payoff. Now Nucky is clearly the man in charge. I almost forgot that he was the lead character. ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/76 "2011-12-12T04:21:22Z")
I was also surprised, even thought right off I knew that telling Jimmy they had Manny was bait. I liked both Jimmy and Angela, so sorry to see them gone when the wicked mother G is still alive (and has a new “son” to f-up). I can’t believe Margaret gave the deed to the church. I just can’t wrap my head around the stupid. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/77 "2011-12-12T06:51:09Z")
I’m surprised that they killed Jimmy too but he obviously knew it was coming. I should have realized it too when he gave his son his dog tags. Margaret figured it out which is why she gave the land to the church. I’m glad that they are keeping Van Alden around. He’s in Cicero, IL which is where Al Capone made his home when Chicago got too hot. This will be fun. Great ending and I look forward to Season 3. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/78 "2011-12-12T10:22:44Z")
WAY bummed about Jimmy. Can’t believe that Nucky bought into blood being thicker than water, since Jimmy really did love him more than Eli. Are we supposed to understand that Jimmy made his offer to Nucky and did what Nucky needed knowing that it still wouldn’t be enough, because he was ready to die anyway, having lost Angela and killed his father, on top being all broken by the war to begin with? Because otherwise it makes no sense for him to know he was going to his execution. I wonder what Richard will do. And MARGARET…HOLY SHIT. What the HELL does she think is going to happen after that?? Is she really counting on Nucky’s declared love of her to get past THAT??? Total insanity. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/79 "2011-12-12T13:49:07Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I’m surprised that they killed Jimmy too but he obviously knew it was coming. I should have realized it too when he gave his son his dog tags. Margaret figured it out which is why she gave the land to the church. What did Margaret figure out and how? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681/80 "2011-12-12T13:52:11Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > What did Margaret figure out and how? That Nucky is an evil murdering bastard. It was pretty obvious from the “suicide” and Jimmy’s sudden reenlisting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boardwalk-empire-is-back/597681.md?page=5)