# Bob\_Blaylock hates Electric Vehicles and was happy to highjack a thread about it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798 "2024-03-13T00:22:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/181 "2024-03-14T17:41:06Z")
And just how many typical American workers are > a construction worker, and can expect to be sent to projects as far as eighty miles away from home. on a daily basis? > [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > As old as I am, and given what I know about the hard realities of electrical power, I see no realistic possibility that this point will occur within my lifetime. Which could be reality – doubtful – or simply a paucity of imagination on your part. Claiming ICE vehicles are the only real cars makes me suspect you won’t embrace EVs until they go _BRAAAAAP!!!_ and roll coal when you tromp on the throttle. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/182 "2024-03-14T17:46:47Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > you won’t embrace EVs until they go _BRAAAAAP!!!_ and roll coal when you tromp on the throttle. I’m picturing a future from The Marching Morons. All EVs have sound generators and small diesel tanks and a small combustion chamber to roll coal on demand. And the rubes love it. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/183 "2024-03-14T17:59:41Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > on a daily basis? It could easily be for a week or two though which is a fairly legit reason to stay with ICE for now. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Blaylock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_blaylock/32/3235_2.png) [@Bob\_Blaylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Blaylock)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/184 "2024-03-14T18:02:38Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > > [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > > > > > I’m a construction worker, and can expect to be sent to projects as far as eighty miles away from home. > > > > on a daily basis? > > It could easily be for a week or two though which is a fairly legit reason to stay with ICE for now.   How long do any of you suppose a construction project lasts?   I can be on a project for months at a time.  Possibly even a year or longer.   If I am on a project that is that far away, then yes, I am going to be driving back and forth between home and that project, on a daily basis, for as long as I am on that project. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Blaylock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_blaylock/32/3235_2.png) [@Bob\_Blaylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Blaylock)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/185 "2024-03-14T18:09:27Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > -You lied about your situation and about EVs and the infrastructure in general (or you are willfully ignorant)   No, I most certainly did not.   It is you who is being willfully ignorant and dishonest, regarding the circumstances at my home, and how they would impact the feasibility of installing an EV charger, here.   You’re accusing me of lying, because the actual circumstances do not match what you want to claim them to be. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/186 "2024-03-14T18:11:41Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > > [@bump](#): > > > > fire trucks might often have the need to operate for long periods without being charged, or in situations where the power is out. > > Mesa FD just got a fully electric fire truck. The first in AZ, but not the first in the country. They love it. The union is fully behind it. > > The thing about fire trucks, they sit around a lot. And they leave the engine running. Lung damage to firefighters from the diesel exhaust is actually a bigger hazard than the average fire. So for the majority of calls, such as EMT responses, the truck just sits there, not putting out pollution. The truck can pump for four hours on the charge. > > [Mesa Fire unveils new electric fire truck](https://www.azfamily.com/2024/01/04/mesa-fire-department-debuts-fully-electric-fire-truck/) EVs would work for FD except in the case where they have a big multi-alarm fire & are on scene for hours. Yes, that’s a small _minority_ of calls & once hoses are all over the place you can’t just roll in another piece of apparatus to replace the first one with the nearly empty battery. Maybe the answer is for a city to to get some EVs & then a utility vehicle with a generator / battery bank & a long extension cord to recharge that first-in EV for those rare big, long fires. Right now, you just have someone either walk over a can of diesel or use something akin to an construction site refill truck / home oil truck with a long hose to refill them when needed. EV ambulances & cop cars work much better as they tend to not be parked so close in & therefore, can be swapped out when their charge starts running low. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Apropos of absolutely nothing, I recently noticed a distinctly different sound to our trash and recycling trucks: > > They _haul ass_ from house to house. All that torque available from a dead stop. It’s visibly noticeable (and the sound is just … cool). Around here some of the trash trucks are CNG; don’t know anything about cost to purchase but refueling is _free_; they’re just tapping the methane from the decaying trash in the landfill that would otherwise go into the atmosphere. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/187 "2024-03-14T18:27:49Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > It’s definitely suburbia. I didn’t give a shit about any of that until I got the EV and was surprised that the middle of the day wasn’t more expensive. In some locations (few today, but expanding), peak rates can depend on when electricity is generated. If a provider has significant capacity from solar and/or wind, middle of the day might be the cheapest. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/188 "2024-03-14T18:43:01Z")
Almost twenty years ago I was in exactly the kind of situation Bob is in. I worked new construction, lived in an apartment, and often drove 150-200 miles round trip every day to get to work. Back then, I bought one of the smaller, more fuel efficient trucks because that was the best option. As it happens, that truck has served me well ever since. Today, I’d probably buy a plug-in hybrid like the Ford Maverick. It charges with a regular plug, runs on battery for the first few miles, then fires up a small ICE for the remainder of the journey. These are the vehicles for people like Bob, because they fuel up as easily as a regular car but run far more efficiently. Electric cars are great, and even electric trucks are getting better, but there are systemic problems like Bob’s that no full electric vehicle will ever solve. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/189 "2024-03-14T18:43:06Z")
Not a mod, but a suggestion, we’ve acknowledged Bob’s hurt feelings, but a lot of the general talk is useful for all, so I’d rather see us post in the parent thread with the useful info, and Bob can sulk about his hurt fee-fee by himself. Unless he does something else Pitable. Since there are plenty of posters who won’t read or participate in Pit threads. Think of the others who are losing out because of Bob’s dickishness, won’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/190 "2024-03-14T18:43:30Z")
> [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > calling me a _“dick”_ for preferring the technology that works for me over technology that really would not. Nobody called you a dick for noting that one technology works better for you than another. They called you a dick because you were being a dick about it. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/191 "2024-03-14T18:44:29Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Not a mod, but a suggestion, we’ve acknowledged Bob’s hurt feelings, but a lot of the general talk is useful for all, so I’d rather see us post in the parent thread with the useful info, and Bob can sulk about his hurt fee-fee by himself. I agree. Take the legit EV talk back to the original thread and leave this one for Bob to rant about how EVs aren’t real cars. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/192 "2024-03-14T18:52:17Z")
> [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > abject hubris of so many who have posted here; presuming to know better than I do what my needs are, presuming to know better than I do how my needs should be met, As has been pointed out - your needs are your needs. You do you. But what you’ve done is shit all over EV’s because apparently you think YOUR NEEDS are more important than everyone else’s needs. That since an EV does not work FOR YOU, then they are not “real cars”. Your attitude seems to be: " I want what I want, so fuck you, everyone else because I’m the most important person in the universe" Get a grip. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/193 "2024-03-14T19:00:15Z")
> [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > It is you who is being willfully ignorant and dishonest, regarding the circumstances at my home, and how they would impact the feasibility of installing an EV charger, here. > > You’re accusing me of lying, because the actual circumstances do not match what you want to claim them to be. Nice selective edit. You left out the part where I acknowledged that that EVs don’t fit your circumstance. As I indicated earlier, I don’t know if you’re fundamentally dishonest or painfully ignorant or tragically unintelligent or some combination of all of them. Given your vile bigotry in other threads, I am leaning towards unintelligent now but I could be persueded otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Blaylock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_blaylock/32/3235_2.png) [@Bob\_Blaylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Blaylock)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/194 "2024-03-14T19:03:24Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Nobody called you a dick for noting that one technology works better for you than another. > > They called you a dick because you were being a dick about it.   To whatever degree I have acted like a _“dick”_, it is not nearly so much as almost everyone else in this thread has acted.  Perhaps some of you seriously need to do something about the beams in your own eyes before you fuss about the mote that you think you see in mine. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/195 "2024-03-14T19:05:11Z")
Ahem… > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > [https://wondermark.com/storage/2023/06/2014-09-19-1062sea.png](https://wondermark.com/storage/2023/06/2014-09-19-1062sea.png) ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/196 "2024-03-14T19:08:29Z")
> [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > To whatever degree I have acted like a _“dick”_, it is not nearly so much as almost everyone else in this thread has acted. Oh so very wrong, and that’ll be a paddling (or an ignore). You join a select crowd in that, and probably the fastest to have reached it! ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Blaylock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_blaylock/32/3235_2.png) [@Bob\_Blaylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Blaylock)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/197 "2024-03-14T19:08:35Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > But what you’ve done is shit all over EV’s because apparently you think YOUR NEEDS are more important than everyone else’s needs. That since an EV does not work FOR YOU, then they are not “real cars”. > > Your attitude seems to be: " I want what I want, so fuck you, everyone else because I’m the most important person in the universe"   I have never advocated that anyone for whom an EV is a reasonable choice should be denied that choice.   For me, a real car is a much better choice than an EV could ever be; and I am being called a _“_dick for saying so.  Some of you have even hinted, at least, if not come out and flatly said it, that I should be denied this choice.  Many of you have claimed to know my needs better than I do, and to know, better than I do, how to meet my needs.   And some of you have just flat-out lied.   And yet, I’m the _“dick”_, here. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/198 "2024-03-14T19:11:05Z")
AKA, “you made me do it” No Bob. You seem to think that YOUR EXPERIENCE is the only one that matters. You went in that other thread and dumped a nugget of ignorant shit into the punchbowl. You don’t want to buy an EV in 15 years time, based on your current level of ignorance? Fine. You do you. You think your opinion is more important that actual factual information. Terrific. But then don’t whine and pout like a little child when you’re called on your misrepresentations and selfish view of how the world should revolve around your own wants. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/199 "2024-03-14T19:11:23Z")
> [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > For me, a real car is a much better choice than an EV could ever be; and I am being called a \*“\*dick for saying so. Some of you have even hinted, at least, if not come out and flatly said it, that I should be denied this choice. The “real car” part is the dickish component. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/200 "2024-03-14T19:13:04Z")
> [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > For me, a real car is a much better choice than an EV could ever be Pssst… just between you and me… this is being a dick about it. Oh, and you still think anti-trans hatred is a valid opinion, that’s worse than being a dick. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798.md?page=11)