# Bob\_Blaylock hates Electric Vehicles and was happy to highjack a thread about it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798 "2024-03-13T00:22:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/301 "2024-03-20T01:20:03Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Look at it this way- if your ICE car could get 500 per fillup, and your EV got 200, you’d flip your situation. No, no, no, no. Even if there were a similarly-priced ICE car that could match the performance of my Tesla (they don’t exist), why would I give up my quieter, greener, low-maintenance EV just to go 500 miles between fillups? And would it ‘refuel’ itself in my garage, while I sleep? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/302 "2024-03-20T02:50:04Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > \*40 gallon tank. How often have you had to get a loan to fill that thing? 🤯 Even my 90s K1500 quarter-ton _only_ had a 25 mile tank, but I still cringed filling it. > [@Capn\_Carl](#): > > No, no, no, no. Even if there were a similarly-priced ICE car that could match the performance of my Tesla (they don’t exist), why would I give up my quieter, greener, low-maintenance EV just to go 500 miles between fillups? And would it ‘refuel’ itself in my garage, while I sleep? Yes, this and more. I’ve explained not far above how my EV can get to and from a distant location with fewer “fill-ups” than my ICE which does indeed have a longer range (the ICE, not my EV). I cannot count changing my EV before and after in that calculation because it adds a few seconds to me leaving or parking in the garage while the fuel-ups before and after in the ICE are very much part of that calculation. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/303 "2024-03-20T04:09:57Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > 25 mile tank Damn, that thing could give the Canyonero a run for its money ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/304 "2024-03-20T04:35:22Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Damn, that thing could give the Canyonero a run for its money Not as bad as Grampa Simpson’s old car, which got “40 rods to the hogshead.” That comes out to 0.002 mpg, or 10.5 feet per gallon. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/305 "2024-03-20T04:43:20Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Damn, that thing could give the Canyonero a run for its money Crap! It felt like that gas guzzler only got around 25 miles to a tank, but it was slightly better than that. Not much, but slightly. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/306 "2024-03-25T02:27:48Z")
In the interests of fighting ignorance, it appears that California’s plan is to ban _new sales_ of ICE cars by 2035 but to allow new sales of electric cars, fuel cell cars, **and plug-in hybrids**. Also used sales of ICE cars would still be allowed. [Cite](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-epa-hold-hearing-california-2035-ev-sales-mandate-plan-2024-01-05/). So I’m not sure what Bob is going on about. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/307 "2024-03-25T02:31:05Z")
It’s called intentional FUD with a side of JAQ’ing off. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/308 "2024-03-25T02:40:30Z")
So what’s FUD? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/309 "2024-03-25T02:41:50Z")
[Fear, uncertainty and doubt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt). ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/310 "2024-03-25T02:42:17Z")
Thank you ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/311 "2024-03-25T02:45:24Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > My ICE gets around 330 miles per fill-up before the light comes on and I need gas. My EV doesn’t go that far. We have had the Tesla for over a year with in-garage charger. We have charged four times in that year, but two were more of, as long as were here let’s put 10% (about 30 miles) on her just in case. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/312 "2024-03-25T02:56:51Z")
Sorry, I thought FUD was well known on the board. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > We have had the Tesla for over a year with in-garage charger. We have charged four times in that year, but two were more of, as long as were here let’s put 10% (about 30 miles) on her just in case. Every time, including today, I’ve put a bit more on then it reported we needed. Today, the total charging cost was a bit over $6 and took 11 minutes for the total charge. True, today I thought I could get home without charging, but I didn’t want to chance it, plus, I really needed a coffee. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/313 "2024-04-01T03:45:06Z")
Our kid just got her first EV. (I’ll bet she’s happy enough to call it “Unreal!”) 🥴 She doesn’t have a charger at home, and has a long commute, but it works for her to charge at work. . > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > > [@Joey\_P](#): > > > > I got a pi tattoo back when I was in college. > > Is it done yet? Great response! PS: When it’s done, you’ll have my MacBook password. (On the login screen there’s a prompt _Password Hint:_ Below that, it says “Last six digits of Pi”.) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/314 "2024-04-01T03:48:49Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Below that, it says “Last six digits of Pi”. [999999](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_nines_in_pi)… From Hofstadter: > I myself once learned 380 digits of π, when I was a crazy high-school kid. My never-attained ambition was to reach the spot, 762 digits out in the decimal expansion, where it goes “999999”, so that I could recite it out loud, come to those six 9’s, and then impishly say, “and so on!” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/315 "2024-04-01T12:58:49Z")
> [@digs](#): > > (On the login screen there’s a prompt _Password Hint:_ > Below that, it says “Last six digits of Pi”.) That’s interesting if treated semi-seriously. And ref Hofstadter quoted just above … I suspect most of us math geeks have memorized some number of digits of pi that are pretty well locked into our adult brain. Far short of Hofstadter’s 380 :eek:, but each of us has their own “last well-known digit of _pi_”. So for each of us personally, the idea of “last 6 digits of _pi_” is well defined. If unknown to a potential password cracker. Obviously that doesn’t provide much real security. Wolfram Alpha tells me the first 20 digits are “3.1415926535897932385”, so it’s either “314159”, “141592”, “415926”, “159265”, “592653”, etc. And the number of people who’ve memorized N digits is _pi_ is probably monotonically decreasing with increasing N plus / minus a smidgen of noise. So 20 or 30 slots in a rainbow table would probably cover 99% of the users who use “last 6 digits of _pi_ (known to me).” as their actual password generation rule. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/316 "2024-04-01T14:13:32Z")
Whoaaa… I thought I was being flippant, but I was brilliant. Thank you, Mr. Guy. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/317 "2024-04-01T14:19:53Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Obviously that doesn’t provide much real security. That’s why my password is a string of 213 random numbers. Conveniently, that string is in Pi so it’s easy to remember! 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/318 "2024-04-01T15:27:51Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Sorry, I thought FUD was well known on the board. Well, it’s a bit ambiguous… [![](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d0/b8/94/d0b894cf5c6141071095541e08c60c67.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d0/b8/94/d0b894cf5c6141071095541e08c60c67.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/319 "2024-04-01T19:28:18Z")
Just stay away from Austin, please move to Amarillo. Don’t Texas my Austin! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798/320 "2024-04-01T19:34:23Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Wolfram Alpha tells me the first 20 digits are “3.1415926535897932385” Actually “3.1415926535897932384”. The next digit is a 6 so I see why you rounded up to 5. But I wouldn’t call that “the first 20 digits of pi”, I’d call that “an approximation of pi precise to the 19th decimal place”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bob-blaylock-hates-electric-vehicles-and-was-happy-to-highjack-a-thread-about-it/998798.md?page=17)