# Bobby Fischer is being deported from Japan to US for 92' match in Yugoslavia. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2004, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047 "2004-07-20T18:56:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/81 "2004-07-21T19:33:55Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Well, I agree with that as well, Monkey. But don’t you agree that statutory rape is quite a different animal than merely going somewhere that the very center of world corruption —the UN — doesn’t want you to go? What right do magistrates have to say that a man may go here but not there? They are not prosecuting him for raping a young girl; they are prosecuting him for standing on verboten dirt. Um, a slight hijack-Polanski’s crime wasn’t just statutory rape-sleeping with an underage girl. He drugged a 13 year old girl and forced himself on her. Back on topic-Fischer. **Lib** , yes, he’s a great chess player. Brilliant, possibly the best chess player that ever lived. All right? That being said, he doesn’t just say some odd things. He’s not merely an eccentric genius. He’s a full on, hateful loon, a spoiled brat who never moved beyond the emotional age of 2. He’s also a greedy motherfucker who, despite being offered the moon, asks for the sun as well! (Of course, since this is probably due to mental illness, I WILL grant that he needs help. But I’m not going to fellate the guy just because he’s a great “artist” who happens to be crazier than a shithouse rat). Being a great chessplayer doesn’t excuse this. And hell, it’s A GAME. It’s not like he discovered the cure for AIDS, or cancer. He never helped anyone, he never saved a disabled child from a burning building. He didn’t wipe out world hunger and poverty with a single move. He plays chess. That’s it. For that, **Lib** , you want everyone to suck his dick? Oh poor widdle abused chessplayer. Fuck him. There are people who are probably more intelligent, better artists and more famous who don’t demand 10,000 for opening a freaking letter. > [@](#): > > My heart skipped a beat when I saw your question. I don’t know that I could fulfull the task. I don’t know that I could take my eyes off him as my trembling hand groped for the pieces. I would not want even to blink for fear that a moment of time might pass. The honor is too inconceivable. **Lib**? If you’re serious here, please, get help. YOU are really starting to scare me. You act as if Fischer is a god. Jesus Christ, get some perspective! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/82 "2004-07-21T19:42:19Z")
Well, I understand the points the five or seven of you are making. Fischer broke the law and must therefore pay as anyone else would have to pay. Fischer has made bigotted statements that merit contempt. Fischer had no authority over FIDE, and would have had none even had he gotten the promised backing from the USCF. But does anyone understand mine? Great man is not it. Great player is not even it. Suppose the man could be wiped away from history, never having existed and yet his art remain. Could we then together adore what we see, and gasp with surprise after move upon move? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Llama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@The\_Llama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Llama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/83 "2004-07-21T19:48:09Z")
Under those specific circumstances, absolutly. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/84 "2004-07-21T19:58:27Z")
Okely dokely. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chunky\_Bum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Chunky\_Bum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chunky_Bum)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/85 "2004-07-21T19:58:41Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > But does anyone understand mine? Great man is not it. Great player is not even it. Suppose the man could be wiped away from history, never having existed and yet his art remain. Could we then together adore what we see, and gasp with surprise after move upon move? Sure, I can do that, but I’d much prefer to admire the brilliant games of Kasparov, Anand, and Krammnik. These guys play at a level that Fischer was never quite able to achieve. Unlike Fischer, they are still playing. They are not quitters. They are not afraid of playing in big matches, or tournaments, against fellow Super-GM’s. Fischer saw the writing on the wall when he saw Karpov coming up. He knew that his time of dominance was over. Rather than be _one_ of the best, instead of _the_ best, he decided to hang his hat. Class act. A real class act. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Llama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@The\_Llama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Llama)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/86 "2004-07-21T20:33:18Z")
> [@Chunky Bum](#): > > Sure, I can do that, but I’d much prefer to admire the brilliant games of Kasparov, Anand, and Krammnik. These guys play at a level that Fischer was never quite able to achieve. Unlike Fischer, they are still playing. They are not quitters. They are not afraid of playing in big matches, or tournaments, against fellow Super-GM’s. > > Fischer saw the writing on the wall when he saw Karpov coming up. He knew that his time of dominance was over. Rather than be _one_ of the best, instead of _the_ best, he decided to hang his hat. > > Class act. A real class act. :dubious: Again, while not trying to defend Fischer, I think you are missing a larger point. He was CRAZY. He never feared another opponent, he feared losing, and the shame that would come with it. I’ll tell you a warm fuzzy story. My coach, when he was in high school, didn’t lose a race (1 mile) from the beginning of his junior year to the end of his senior year. He was freaking undefeated. But he told me that before every singe dual meet (the most unimportant of meets you will ever be in, competeing against local talent that couldn’t have beat him if his legs were broken) he was scared out of his mind. The reason? He was scared to death of losing. No fear of the opponents whatsoever. Just the simple fear of losing, and how it might look. The Mighty (Llamas old Coach) beaten in a dual meet! Now, magnify that times 100 and you may get an idea of what Fischer was probably going through. He most likely had 0 on the self-esteem scale, and all he had was his chess wins. Again, I’m all for jailing the guy, or at least a mandatory psychiatric hospital stay, but don’t assume for a minute that his actions, any of them, can be broad stroked using a sane outlook. And to say that any subsequent player is obviously better… that’s like saying Wilt will beat Jordan in 1 on 1. You can never know, because people at the top of their game are rarely challenged enough to see how good they can truly be. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/87 "2004-07-21T20:37:56Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Please do not smear His name by comparing him to me. I am a wad of gum on the heel of his shoe. > [@](#): > > My heart skipped a beat when I saw your question. I don’t know that I could fulfull the task. I don’t know that I could take my eyes off him as my trembling hand groped for the pieces. I would not want even to blink for fear that a moment of time might pass. The honor is too inconceivable. At this point, the most reassuring thought would be that it’s a prank and that you’re making fun of us… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/88 "2004-07-21T21:09:53Z")
> [@Chunky Bum](#): > > Sure, I can do that, but I’d much prefer to admire the brilliant games of Kasparov, Anand, and Krammnik. These guys play at a level that Fischer was never quite able to achieve. Unlike Fischer, they are still playing. They are not quitters. They are not afraid of playing in big matches, or tournaments, against fellow Super-GM’s. > > Fischer saw the writing on the wall when he saw Karpov coming up. He knew that his time of dominance was over. Rather than be _one_ of the best, instead of _the_ best, he decided to hang his hat. > > Class act. A real class act. :dubious: Ironically, while you are admiring the games of Kasparov, Anand, and Krammnik, they are admiring the games of Fischer. You are like the man who jumps on the bandwagon to ridicule Elvis while praising the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, who themselves would give him due credit for their own work and status. Your assertion about relative strengths is unsupportable by any objective criteria, particular given changes in FIDE ratings algorithms. Nor is your assertion that Fischer feared Karpov supported even by common sense. In his candidates matches, Fischer had gone through the Soviet grandmasters like a wrecking ball _while they consulted together as a team before games and during adjournments_. In '74, Karpov was a pale, gaunt man of poor health who had already announced that he expected Spassky to win the candidates cycle and was making plans for the '77 cycle. By '92, the frail Karpov had even lost to Nigel Short, and Fischer went on to beat Spassky. Again. So don’t bother me with the Fischer was afraid of Karpov stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Chunky\_Bum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Chunky\_Bum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chunky_Bum)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/89 "2004-07-21T21:10:03Z")
> [@The\_Llama](#): > > Again, while not trying to defend Fischer, I think you are missing a larger point. He was CRAZY. He never feared another opponent, he feared losing, and the shame that would come with it. I’ll tell you a warm fuzzy story. > > And to say that any subsequent player is obviously better… that’s like saying Wilt will beat Jordan in 1 on 1. You can never know, because people at the top of their game are rarely challenged enough to see how good they can truly be. That was my point. The Super-GM’s in today’s chess world **are** constantly playing/challenging each other. The world’s Top 10 players square off against each other, in some variety, multiple times each year, every year. And the Top 20 players of today are much better than the Top 20 players of any era in the past. It’s a chess bloodbath out there. In this cutthroat environment, Kasparov recently reeled off 10 consecutive Super-GM tournament wins in a row! Earlier in his career, he won 15 consecutive tournaments, a record still held today! Anand and Krammnik consistently finish in the top 3 in virtually every tournament they enter. Don’t be fooled. Kasparov is by far the best chess player of all-time. Anand #2. Krammnik #3. Karpov #4. Botvinnik #5. Fischer #6. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/90 "2004-07-21T21:12:07Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > At this point, the most reassuring thought would be that it’s a prank and that you’re making fun of us… My capitalization of the pronoun was an unfortunate typo. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/91 "2004-07-21T21:14:53Z")
> [@Chunky Bum](#): > > Kasparov is by far the best chess player of all-time. Anand #2. Krammnik #3. Karpov #4. Botvinnik #5. Fischer #6. Even if you’re granted your rankings for the sake of argument, you are straining gnats. You might rank Morphy at, say, #25 or something, but the camel is his mind-boggling tactical combinations. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/92 "2004-07-22T02:55:50Z")
> [@Phlosphr](#): > > World Jewry, Clinton a secret Jew? Dammit, they never told me about that when I converted. And I live where he was Governor. Black Magic my ass. We use their blood in Passover Matzoh. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Llama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@The\_Llama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Llama)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/93 "2004-07-22T03:36:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Clinton a secret Jew? Dammit, they never told me about that when I converted. And I live where he was Governor. > > Black Magic my ass. We use their blood in Passover Matzoh. > > 🙂 You fool. If they _told_ you it wouldn’t be a SECRET! Man, some people. ---
**Author:** ![Frankenstein\_Monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@Frankenstein\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frankenstein_Monster)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/94 "2004-07-22T14:45:37Z")
Just came across this thread (I liked that [other thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=267390) better). FWIW, I’m with **Liberal**. It’s an intense, bottomless tragedy. All this petty squabbling, to the detriment of such great art. Yes, I’m calling the anti-semitism, the 9/11 remarks, the ethnic cleansing, the fleecing of Serbian families leaving them destitute, etc., etc., (not necessarily this thread though) “petty squabbling”. No, I don’t mean to discount how terrible all that is. It devastates me. It’s gut-wrenching. (Not speaking for **Lib** but I have no reason to assume his feelings are not possibly similar.) Like I said. What an infinite tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/95 "2004-07-22T14:57:50Z")
> [@Frankenstein Monster](#): > > Yes, I’m calling the anti-semitism, the 9/11 remarks, the ethnic cleansing, the fleecing of Serbian families leaving them destitute, etc., etc., … “petty squabbling”. No, I don’t mean to discount how terrible all that is. You’re a “complete and utter moron.” No, I don’t mean that in a bad way. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/96 "2004-07-22T16:27:41Z")
Jesus said, “Wherever two are gathered…”. Here’s to the art. […tink…] ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/97 "2004-07-22T17:11:08Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Ironically, while you are admiring the games of Kasparov, Anand, and Krammnik, they are admiring the games of Fischer. You are like the man who jumps on the bandwagon to ridicule Elvis while praising the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, who themselves would give him due credit for their own work and status. This particular arguement bugs me. Modern-day road engineers give credit to the ancient Roman road-builders for many of the techniques they pioneered. They admire them for what they did, which was indeed exceptional for their time and place in history. Based on that acknowledgement, go ahead and run an 18-ton tractor trailer down a Roman road at 75 mph every thirty seconds 24 hours a day. I dare you. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/98 "2004-07-22T17:15:14Z")
> [@Frankenstein Monster](#): > > Yes, I’m calling the anti-semitism, the 9/11 remarks, the ethnic cleansing, the fleecing of Serbian families leaving them destitute, etc., etc., (not necessarily this thread though) “petty squabbling”. No, I don’t mean to discount how terrible all that is. It devastates me. It’s gut-wrenching. (. What you guys are smoking, exactly? I want the same stuff… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/99 "2004-07-22T18:06:37Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > This particular arguement bugs me. Modern-day road engineers give credit to the ancient Roman road-builders for many of the techniques they pioneered. They admire them for what they did, which was indeed exceptional for their time and place in history. Based on that acknowledgement, go ahead and run an 18-ton tractor trailer down a Roman road at 75 mph every thirty seconds 24 hours a day. I dare you. > > Enjoy, > Steven False analogy. He wasn’t juxatposing Kasparov and Ruy Lopez, and I wasn’t juxtaposing the Beatles and Victor Capoul. ---
**Author:** ![Chunky\_Bum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Chunky\_Bum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chunky_Bum)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2004, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047/100 "2004-07-22T18:49:55Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > False analogy. He wasn’t juxatposing Kasparov and Ruy Lopez, and I wasn’t juxtaposing the Beatles and Victor Capoul. Hey, I ranked Fischer at #6 all-time. I certainly gave him his due credit regarding chess. He is still a pathetic, disgraceful, racist, egotistical, asshole. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bobby-fischer-is-being-deported-from-japan-to-us-for-92-match-in-yugoslavia/256047.md?page=6)