# Bonesman (R) vs. Bonesman (D) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 12, 2004, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bonesman-r-vs-bonesman-d/228810 "2004-02-12T07:50:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bonesman-r-vs-bonesman-d/228810/21 "2004-02-19T00:45:59Z")
Well, this thread seems to be dieing but…your cites were certainly good for that laugh. Do you, by chance, have anything from a reasonably unbiased and reputable site? I don’t know if you realize this, but Guerrilla Network News isn’t usually considered a very reliable source. Most folks would rate even Fox Network News several notches higher, for instance. Personally if these are representitive of the sources you are using, you should calm down a bit and stop fretting about this thing. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2004, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bonesman-r-vs-bonesman-d/228810/22 "2004-02-19T15:01:21Z")
> [@akrako1](#): > > Continuing their racist eugenics - Harriman and Prescott Bush directly supported the Nazi’s. Another yay for the Bonesmen. This one you can take Cecil’s word for: > [http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html) It is absolutely dishonest to mischaracterize Cecil’s comments in that way. From the column you referenced: > [@](#): > > Prescott at the time was an investment banker with Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), which had funneled U.S. capital into Germany during the 1920s and '30s. Among the [federally seized] companies was the Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York, which was controlled by German industrialist Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financier of the Nazi party–in fact, in 1941 he published a book entitled I Paid Hitler. Ergo, Prescott helped finance the Nazis. > . > . > . > Though Thyssen had been an ardent backer of the Nazis in the early days, he broke with them in 1938 after the Kristallnacht pogrom against the Jews. He fled to Switzerland the following year, and Hitler confiscated his fortune and stripped him of his citizenship. In I Paid Hitler Thyssen confessed his role in financing the Nazis and denounced the Führer. Arrested in Vichy France, he spent the balance of the war as an Axis prisoner. Prescott Bush, for his part, owned a single share of stock (of 4,000) in UBC, the Thyssen bank. According to a 2001 Boston Globe piece, the New York Herald Tribune ran a story in July 1942 headlined “Hitler’s Angel Has 3 Million in US Bank,” in which Prescott and other BBH partners “explain[ed] to government regulators that their position [as directors of UBC] was merely an unpaid courtesy for a client.” > > So, did Bush and his firm finance the Nazis and enable Germany to rearm? **Indirectly, yes.** Cecil takes great pains to detail the complicated string of events between Prescott Bush and the Nazi party. Bush owned a single share of stock in a bank controlled by a guy that was an early financier of the Nazi party, but who broke with the Nazis and denounced them after their openly vicious attack on Jews in the 1930s. That was his connection, which you have the utter dishonesty to call “directly financed.” - Rick ---
**Author:** ![akrako1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@akrako1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akrako1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2004, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bonesman-r-vs-bonesman-d/228810/23 "2004-02-19T17:34:52Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > your cites were certainly good for that laugh. Do you, by chance, have anything from a reasonably unbiased and reputable site? I’m not sure which discussion you think we’re having. The very nature of Skull & Bones dictates that there is no mainstream journalism. Do you think Barbara Walters is going to do a Skull & Bones expose? Are you nuts? The very fact that there is NOT any mainstream analysis should cause some alarm. Admittedly, current and former presidents, and buisness tycoons are members, but there is still no mainstream investigations. CBS is not going to air a Skull & Bones documentary. It simply won’t happen. Guerilla News Network and others are brave enough to publish news that isn’t politically correct, and possibly dangerous. Yes, just like CNN and FOXNEWS, these sites need to be read with an eye out for disinformation and propaganda, but any intelligent person should be able to distinguish between what is opinion and conjecture, and what is backed up by fact - even if not ‘officially sanctioned’ by the network censors. \Bush owned a single share of stock in a bank controlled by a guy that was an early financier of the Nazi party, but who broke with the Nazis and denounced them after their openly vicious attack on Jews in the 1930s. That was his connection, which you have the utter dishonesty to call “directly financed.”\ One share, one million shares, indirectly supported, whatever. A fascist is a bloody fascist. First, go back and read Cecil’s article a little more closely. It says that Thyssen who partnered in UBC broke with Hitler in 1938. Then why was the company seized by the government in 1942? The ‘Trading With The Enemy Act’ was signed after Pearl Harbor, and unless there were some offences completed after Pearl Harbor, the government shouldn’t have had a case… Yes, Bush was a minor stock holder in the UBC business (though some sources say he was the managing director), but the point is that his Skull and Bones buddies were all over his Nazi dealings. I thought that’s what were talking about here. Bush, along with Harriman were both partners in a bank with a guy nicknamed ‘Hitler’s Angel’ because he handled the Furhrer’s U.S. investments, and later wrote a book ‘I Paid Hitler’. What isn’t clear? Oh… maybe they didn’t know what was going on. yeah… that’s it… UBC was not the only Bush-related entity seized by the government: Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman) the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman) Silesian-American Corporation (with Walker) The government sure had it in for this Bush guy, I wonder what he did to earn such an unjustified vendetta… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bonesman-r-vs-bonesman-d/228810.md?page=1)