# Boobies or not..what a stinker. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 11, 2002, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boobies-or-not-what-a-stinker/108407 "2002-05-11T01:16:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2002, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boobies-or-not-what-a-stinker/108407/21 "2002-05-12T01:02:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cockatoo \* > \*\*Thanks for the tip, beagledave. I’m finding out more about how these boards work. > \*\* No problem. All of us were newbies once 🙂 Another unsolicited tip for you… 😉 It’s easier to read your posts if you use the QUOTE feature of the boards when your quoting another poster (there is a QUOTE button at the bottom of the reply window that automtically puts the appropriate tags before and after the quote) > [@](#): > > \*\* > One thing I’m noticing about these boards is that people here are very big on the law. If you sign a form, you are in for whatever you get. Or so seems to be a common opinion here. That doesn’t seem very open-minded to me. Have I been misdirected to these boards? I was told they’re a good place to interact with freethinking types. But I consider freethinking types to be able to see past the law when there are other issues at stake. > \*\* I’m not sure what you mean by “open minded”, but AFAIK, the women who appeared on the show were of legal age…had volunteered for this…had probably had the show explained to them (this is going to be a “behind the scenes” show illustrating how playmates get chosen)…and had given their **informed** consent to do so. So yeah…if you give your **informed** consent, then gosh, I think you’re accountable for the process, unless it involves something outside of the discussed terms. > [@](#): > > \*\* > I didn’t watch it. But I did read the comments here. > \*\* Well then, no offense, but you would have no clue about what I was referring to then in terms of the what the women actually said then, correct? > [@](#): > > \*\* > And though I used to be interested in porn, I got to know some damn smart women who made me think of it differently, and now I’m a lot more interested in what people say about it and women in general. That’s what I meant by “raw deal.” bobkitty’s post, for instance, makes me think how fucked up we’d all be if we started parading around like that trying to live up to some big idea and somebody said “Nothing makes him unique.” I don’t think I’m unique, but I sure as shit don’t want to hear somebody else talking about me like that. > Even if I signed a form. \*\* Ummm, Playboy…for better or worse (at least when it comes to centerfolds) is all about objectification of women. This is not news, correct? You’re making a choice to pose buck naked in front of a dozen stylists and photographers while they shoot a few rolls of soft focus film. And then you will have naked body printed on several thousand (or more?) copies of a magazine for the entire world to see. Forever. With all kinds of people making judgements about your body…and scores of teenage boys having lewd and lacivious thoughts about you. Forever. This is not a surprise…right? If I wasn’t clear in the OP, I did not watch the whole thing. Not because I’m offended by women choosing to get buck naked, but because I found the “inside commentary” by the women to be so inane as to be ridiculous. The MSTK3 guys could have provided better commentary (and hell, THEN I woulda watched the rest of the damn thing 😉 ) Again, I’m assuming that the women were told ahead of time what was involved with this process. If they wern’t, I’m sure we will see a lawsuit from one of them in the near future. So no, if the women gave their consent to a process that involved them being critiqued for their appearance, then I don’t think that they got a raw deal. Consent is more than a legal process, it’s all about being an adult and taking responsibility for the things you choose to do in life. ---
**Author:** ![Cockatoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Cockatoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cockatoo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2002, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boobies-or-not-what-a-stinker/108407/22 "2002-05-12T16:22:09Z")
I agree that consent is more than a legal process. I also agree that we should all take responsibility for our choices. That’s why when it looks to me like people are being irresponsible about the way they talk about others they should think about it and how it affects the people they talk about. I also agree that women are objectified; I think they’re expected to take more responsibility for it than those who enjoy it, though. Thanks again for the tip on quotes. Don’t know why I didn’t notice that button! Oh, and when I said “open-minded,” I meant “free thinking,” open to seeing things in new ways. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boobies-or-not-what-a-stinker/108407.md?page=1)