# Book links getting redirected **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [June 24, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238 "2016-06-24T15:05:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/1 "2016-06-24T15:05:44Z")
Just wrote a post in Great Debates where I cited a book and included the smile.amazon link as a short reference to it. When the post was originally made, though, it didn’t link to the original page. It went here instead (link broken): **[http://www.knetbooks](http://www.knetbooks). com/american-nations-history-eleven-rival/bk/9780143122029**. Which is a link for the same book, just a different website. But now that I look at the thread again, it’s back to smile.amazon. Reloading the page a few more times, I’ve seen it go back and forth yet again. So… is this my own computer, or is the website itself selectively redirecting links to more favored book websites? It’s not Amazon, it’s either here or my own browser. The link at the bottom clearly shows knetbooks when I hover over it. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/2 "2016-06-24T15:29:37Z")
There are two possibilities that off the top of my head seem likely. The first is malware on your computer. The second (and in my opinion the more likely cause) is viglink. If you don’t know what viglink is, it’s a service that the SDMB uses. When it was first installed here, all it did was count clicks and gave money to the SDMB based on that. Over the years though, viglink’s behavior has changed. Now it changes links based on advertising from viglink’s customers and it even sometimes creates links where none existed before. Viglink runs via a script, so if you have a script blocker running you won’t see the issue. You can also block viglink with an ad blocker (block all of [viglink.com](http://viglink.com)) which will also prevent you from having problems with it. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/3 "2016-06-24T15:58:14Z")
Try leaving out the “smile” reference (which gives a percentage to a charity you support). Does a plain Amazon link work, OP? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/4 "2016-06-24T16:02:50Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > There are two possibilities that off the top of my head seem likely. > > The first is malware on your computer. > > The second (and in my opinion the more likely cause) is viglink. If you don’t know what viglink is, it’s a service that the SDMB uses. When it was first installed here, all it did was count clicks and gave money to the SDMB based on that. Over the years though, viglink’s behavior has changed. Now it changes links based on advertising from viglink’s customers and it even sometimes creates links where none existed before. > > Viglink runs via a script, so if you have a script blocker running you won’t see the issue. You can also block viglink with an ad blocker (block all of [viglink.com](http://viglink.com)) which will also prevent you from having problems with it. If I were able to go into people’s posts and change their links without permission, would your solution be: A. Ask people to block me if it bothers them too much, or B. Ban my ass so fast I wouldn’t be able to fini ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/5 "2016-06-24T16:08:15Z")
Last time this happened to me, I followed the directions below (from a previous viglink thread) and it fixed it. No need to install an adblocker or scriptblocker. > [@Changing links?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/changing-links/735555/43): > > You can disable VigLink from running on your computer. Go to [http://www.viglink.com/opt-out/](http://www.viglink.com/opt-out/) and click “Disable” and VigLink won’t run when you click on a link. ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/6 "2016-06-24T16:12:40Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Try leaving out the “smile” reference (which gives a percentage to a charity you support). Does a plain Amazon link work, OP? It happens with regular Amazon links, too. Or at least, with a regular Amazon link to the same book, even using Preview Post. It switches back and forth when you preview. But I’ve tried the same link with different websites, including my own website and Facebook, and they haven’t had any problems. I don’t think it’s malware on my computer. I think it’s probly that viglink thing here on the boards. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > Last time this happened to me, I followed the directions below (from a previous viglink thread) and it fixed it. No need to install an adblocker or scriptblocker. That seems to have worked. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/7 "2016-06-24T17:03:36Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > The second (and in my opinion the more likely cause) is viglink…Now it changes links based on advertising from viglink’s customers and it even sometimes creates links where none existed before. Do I understand this right…SDMB allows an external program to change links in our posts without permission or warning (other than the one you just gave)? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/8 "2016-06-24T17:04:14Z")
**Hellestal** , I assume [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19429885&postcount=21) is the post in question. Your link was sending me to knetbooks. I just now disabled VigLink via that link from **cochrane**. After refreshing the thread, your link now sends me to [smile.amazon.com](http://smile.amazon.com). So, that seems to be what’s going on, anyway. And, like **Czarcasm** , I too find it disturbing that the links that people are posting are being changed without their permission. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/9 "2016-06-24T17:30:14Z")
Just to test the redirect theory, I logged in anonymously with my ad blocker turned off (Ghostery). I wasn’t able to recreate the redirection from the link given in post #8 (it always went to Amazon). But I was hit by 75…COUNT 'EM…75! ad/junk services. Really, Cecil, that number makes SDMB super-high on my list of the most offensive sites around, and it sure slowed things down a whole heck of a lot. I hope the income is worth it, because it’s dirty money, y’bet. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/10 "2016-06-24T17:31:20Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > **Hellestal** , I assume [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19429885&postcount=21) is the post in question. > > Your link was sending me to knetbooks. I just now disabled VigLink via that link from **cochrane**. After refreshing the thread, your link now sends me to [smile.amazon.com](http://smile.amazon.com). > > So, that seems to be what’s going on, anyway. > > And, like **Czarcasm** , I too find it disturbing that the links that people are posting are being changed without their permission. As I understand viglink, the link is not supposed to change. It goes to a viglink version of the original link. Nothing looks different but it enables viglink to collect and disburse the payment to the subscriber(?). They do seem to have regular trouble where the original link gets redirected to another site, usually for the exact same product. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/11 "2016-06-24T17:46:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > They do seem to have regular trouble where the original link gets redirected to another site, usually for the exact same product. If that’s indeed what happens, this is identical to redirecting malware. Then Viglink _is_ malware, supported an installed by this board. [VigLink](http://www.viglink.com/) calls this newspeak “invigoration.” > [@](#): > > By identifying commercial products mentioned within a publisher’s content, VigLink automatically invigorates those terms by transforming them into revenue generating hyperlinks whose destinations are determined in real-time, advertiser-bid auctions. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/12 "2016-06-24T18:08:13Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > If that’s indeed what happens, this is identical to redirecting malware. Then Viglink _is_ malware, supported an installed by this board. > > [VigLink](http://www.viglink.com/) calls this newspeak “invigoration.” I figured Vig was related to [vigorish.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigorish) I’m only _partly_ joking. [VigLink](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VigLink) > [@](#): > > VigLink’s content monetization solution connects potential consumers to products by hyperlinking particular keywords in a website’s content.[1][3][7][9] > > The company’s technology, VigLink Insert, scans a page for words that could be potentially profitable to the publisher of the page, and connects the keyword with a product from an affiliate program.[3][4] The publisher is paid when a reader clicks a link contained in the content to buy or learn more about a service or product. If I understand this, it means that Amazon (and others) allows VigLink to do it’s thing. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/13 "2016-06-24T18:24:05Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Do I understand this right…SDMB allows an external program to change links in our posts without permission or warning (other than the one you just gave)? WTF? Yup. > [@running\_coach](#): > > As I understand viglink, the link is not supposed to change. It goes to a viglink version of the original link. Nothing looks different but it enables viglink to collect and disburse the payment to the subscriber(?). That’s the way it originally worked (which I didn’t have a problem with). That’s not the way it works now. At some point they changed the behavior of it. Viglink’s website explains the current behavior, so it’s not a bug. It’s working as they intend it to work. > [@Musicat](#): > > If that’s indeed what happens, this is identical to redirecting malware. Then Viglink _is_ malware, supported an installed by this board. That’s my opinion of it as well. If I had any say over it (which I don’t) I’d have them drop it like a hot rock. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/14 "2016-06-24T18:24:36Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If I understand this, it means that Amazon (and others) allows VigLink to do it’s thing. “Allows” is an odd word to use in the context. Amazon could really only prevent this by paying Viglink. “Real-time, advertiser-bid auctions” means they could protect their own links by outbidding everyone else, every time anyone clicks the link. Seems to me a bad solution. Conventional wisdom on the topic is akin to “billions for defense, not one penny for tribute” or “we don’t bargain with hostage-takers.” I doubt the law would be on Amazon’s side either, but I would like to hear from an actual expert on this. My thought is that competitive keyword advertising (say, search for “Cadillac” and Google shows you adsense links for Lexus) is equivalent and the precedent so far has favored a competitor’s right to show you his marketing when you ask for another’s. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/15 "2016-06-24T18:33:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If I understand this, it means that Amazon (and others) allows VigLink to do it’s thing. I understand it as SDMB permits VigLink to access their data stream on the way from SDMB’s servers to the viewers and rewrites parts of the HTML code on the fly before your browser gets the code. The only difference I see with malware is the program that traps and rewrites the code for VigLink is _external_ to the user’s computer, where malware resides _internally_ in the user’s computer. Amazon has no control over this (other than what **gnoitall** said about bidding), and may not know it’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/16 "2016-06-24T18:37:02Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > \*\*“Allows” is an odd word to use in the context. > > Amazon could really only prevent this by paying Viglink. “Real-time, advertiser-bid auctions” means they could protect their own links by outbidding everyone else, every time anyone clicks the link.\*\* Seems to me a bad solution. Conventional wisdom on the topic is akin to “billions for defense, not one penny for tribute” or “we don’t bargain with hostage-takers.” > > I doubt the law would be on Amazon’s side either, but I would like to hear from an actual expert on this. My thought is that competitive keyword advertising (say, search for “Cadillac” and Google shows you adsense links for Lexus) is equivalent and the precedent so far has favored a competitor’s right to show you his marketing when you ask for another’s. I wasn’t sure what would would fit best. Amazon’s website is copyrighted. VigLink can’t produce an identical page without Amazon’s permission. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/17 "2016-06-24T20:32:41Z")
It’s been doing this for [quite a while](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18764349&postcount=11). Hope it’s worth it, SDMB decision-makers. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/18 "2016-06-25T12:19:23Z")
I still can’t understand how Amazon has not yet sued VigLink into oblivion. When people create links to Amazon, that has real monetary value to Amazon. When VigLink hijacks those links, that steals that value from Amazon, and transfers it to VigLink. That’s exactly the sort of thing that lawsuits are intended to remedy. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/19 "2016-06-25T12:58:34Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I still can’t understand how Amazon has not yet sued VigLink into oblivion. When people create links to Amazon, that has real monetary value to Amazon. When VigLink hijacks those links, that steals that value from Amazon, and transfers it to VigLink. That’s exactly the sort of thing that lawsuits are intended to remedy. I’m not sure why we are concentrating on Amazon. The example given was a redirect from Amazon to some other seller, sure, but we have no evidence that Amazon is the only victim. Most likely, VigLink treats all vendors the same unless they get some vigorish and anyone is fair game. So if anyone sues anyone, it should be a class action. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238/20 "2016-06-27T11:56:12Z")
I just spotted something interesting. Even though I am a member, which prevents 59 malware links from being sent by SDMB for each post, VigLink is not filtered out. So unless I turn off my ad blocker, I will still be subject to the VigLink redirection, as well as 5 more from the great unwashed. Good going, Cecil. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-links-getting-redirected/758238.md?page=2)