# Book on Trump's golf cheating **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 2, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926 "2019-04-02T15:26:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gus\_Gusterson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@Gus\_Gusterson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gus_Gusterson)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/21 "2019-04-03T14:15:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Worth noting that Trump is apparently genuinely a good golfer (which I guess is unsurprising given how much he plays). There is no evidence that he’s a good golfer. He is known to cheat and not count every stroke and penalty. I’m not a particularly good golfer. I shoot around 105 for 18 holes. If I improved my lie once per hole and knocked off a stroke per hole I might be able to shoot in the 70s but I still wouldn’t be a good golfer. It’s like how it’s taken at face value that actor James Woods is really smart and has a huge penis. There’s no evidence for either of those “facts” either. I imagine that Woods himself promulgated those rumors. Coincidentally, he’s a Trump supporter. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/22 "2019-04-03T14:34:37Z")
> [@Gus\_Gusterson](#): > > There is no evidence that he’s a good golfer. He is known to cheat and not count every stroke and penalty. E-X-A-C-T-L-Y > [@Gus\_Gusterson](#): > > It’s like how it’s taken at face value that actor James Woods is really smart and has a huge penis. There’s no evidence for either of those “facts” either. I imagine that Woods himself promulgated those rumors. Coincidentally, he’s a Trump supporter. OmG - that is hiLARious! ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/23 "2019-04-03T14:34:52Z")
> [@Gus\_Gusterson](#): > > There is no evidence that he’s a good golfer. He is known to cheat and not count every stroke and penalty. I’m not a particularly good golfer. I shoot around 105 for 18 holes. If I improved my lie once per hole and knocked off a stroke per hole I might be able to shoot in the 70s but I still wouldn’t be a good golfer. There is evidence that he’s a good golfer. Just about everyone that plays with him says that he’s a good golfer, especially for his age. He hits the ball well. He putts well. He also cheats. Just about everyone that plays with him says that he’s a cheater. The people that have played with him estimate his handicap to be around 9 instead of the ridiculous 2.8 that he claims. A 9 handicapper is a good golfer. Not a tour player but still a good golfer. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/24 "2019-04-03T14:43:03Z")
golf even at the pro level does not really use referees at most tournaments like other sports. The tradition is you are supposed to report your own rule violations. At the end of the round you sign your scorecard and if that score is wrong you are disqualified. There was a case where a guy signed for a score 1 shot higher than his actual score and he lost out on winning a tournament. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/25 "2019-04-03T14:45:25Z")
> [@Gus\_Gusterson](#): > > There is no evidence that he’s a good golfer. He is known to cheat and not count every stroke and penalty. I’m not a particularly good golfer. I shoot around 105 for 18 holes. If I improved my lie once per hole and knocked off a stroke per hole I might be able to shoot in the 70s but I still wouldn’t be a good golfer. > > It’s like how it’s taken at face value that actor James Woods is really smart and has a huge penis. There’s no evidence for either of those “facts” either. I imagine that Woods himself promulgated those rumors. Coincidentally, he’s a Trump supporter. Fabricating a giant schlong out of whole cloth seems like a dangerous gambit— unlike intelligence, it can be objectively measured with a glance, and only takes one pissed-off Stormy Daniels to publicly zap the magic out of the mushroom. One would either need to assemble a fanatical base eager to believe that the sky is plaid and an inchworm is a reticulated python, or demand a signed non-disclosure agreement as a prerequisite to every dropping of trou. (Then again, Trump did both and yet somehow we still know that he’s swinging at best a shiitake.) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/26 "2019-04-03T14:49:00Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > There is evidence that he’s a good golfer. Just about everyone that plays with him says that he’s a good golfer, especially for his age. Just about everyone that plays with him wants to stay on his good side. To find out how good a golfer he really is we would need to see a number of games on different courses where he didn’t cheat. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/27 "2019-04-03T15:01:25Z")
Of course he cheats. Trump has never encountered a level playing field. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/28 "2019-04-03T15:14:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just about everyone that plays with him wants to stay on his good side. To find out how good a golfer he really is we would need to see a number of games on different courses where he didn’t cheat. [Here you go.](https://youtu.be/0F9TW8Z7lyw) [He also cheats at cards.](https://youtu.be/8kDdIL0tSeI) Seriously, I’m actually kind of surprised he hasn’t referred to Kim Jong-un as “Oddjob” at this point. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/29 "2019-04-03T15:31:26Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > He still can’t beat Kim Jong Il’s record. Trump isn’t in the same league as KJI or his family wrt telling whoppers or cheating. Hell, Trump can’t even dream of being in the same league as they are. IIRC, first time KJI played he got an 18…18 holes in one. Then he got bored, being god like and having no where to go from there (well, I guess he could hit the balls so hard that they break into pieces, each piece falling into a different hole on the course, thus he could shoot for a 9 or maybe even better I suppose). I’m militantly unsurprised that Trump cheats at golf. Why would he make an exception in this case, since he cheats at everything? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/30 "2019-04-03T15:44:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just about everyone that plays with him wants to stay on his good side. To find out how good a golfer he really is we would need to see a number of games on different courses where he didn’t cheat. He has occasionally played actual tournaments with observers and cameras and no opportunity to cheat. And he plays like a man with a 9-10 handicap, which is a good level of skill but not good enough to be competitive against other skilled golfers. My father-in-law used to play a solid 7 handicap (before his knees went). It’s definitely “skilled amateur” territory and he used to win the occasional tournament at his local club, but he wouldn’t have won at the big clubs either. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/31 "2019-04-03T15:47:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just about everyone that plays with him wants to stay on his good side. To find out how good a golfer he really is we would need to see a number of games on different courses where he didn’t cheat. The article observed that Trump’s “wins” occur on courses he owns and where the caddies work for him. On neutral courses (or where he’s playing on camera) his score drops. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/32 "2019-04-03T16:05:07Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > I feel like this sort of thing hits both ways. It fires up the anti-Trump base, but at the same time appears extremely petty to the unfaithful. Nice bit of insinuation, there! Implying that the people who despise a lying, narcissistic, shit-for-brains lout are the “faithful”, guided by unsupported opinions based on gullibility. Which implies that Trump supporters are moved by reason and facts, as compared to blind faith. Not bad! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/33 "2019-04-03T16:21:01Z")
I’m just speculating here but I think Trump believes he really is winning these games. Not because he’s playing the best golf. He’s winning because he’s created a situation where he controls the rules and is able to use his power to determine the outcome. So Trump wins at golf the way that Lyndon Johnson won at Senate votes. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/34 "2019-04-03T16:53:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m just speculating here but I think Trump believes he really is winning these games. Not because he’s playing the best golf. He’s winning because he’s created a situation where he controls the rules and is able to use his power to determine the outcome. So Trump wins at golf the way that Lyndon Johnson won at Senate votes. It’s also possible he sincerely believes (to whatever superficial level he’s thought about it at all) that everyone else is cheating, too, in exactly the same way, so it’s like he won. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/35 "2019-04-03T17:18:02Z")
the book author has challenged Trump to a game for $100k for charity. He requests they not play at a Trump course and that they have people watching for cheating. No way Trump agrees to that ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/36 "2019-04-03T17:31:42Z")
No, Trump is a bullshitter and cheating at golf is merely acted out bullshit. Golf does seem to bring that out in people though. Can’t remember what it was called but I watched some show about Trump centered around his renovation of a golf course. It showed to me that he was a pretty decent golfer and a bit of a dick/cheater. But he didn’t even hide it, he’s talking to the camera about what he’s doing. He just calls it “I’m gonna mess with them”, so he let’s the audience in on the “joke” though I don’t recall him letting his opponents in on it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/37 "2019-04-03T17:37:26Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > the book author has challenged Trump to a game for $100k for charity. … No way Trump agrees to that Trump. Charity. Now THAT’S a side-splitter! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/38 "2019-04-03T18:10:02Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The article observed that Trump’s “wins” occur on courses he owns and where the caddies work for him. On neutral courses (or where he’s playing on camera) his score **drops.** Climbs. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/39 "2019-04-03T23:38:53Z")
> [@Dacien](#): > > I feel like this sort of thing hits both ways. It fires up the anti-Trump base, but at the same time appears extremely petty to the unfaithful. Uh, you’re saying that the so-called “unfaithful” (i.e., Trump supporters) have something against pettiness? :dubious: Since when? Remember, these are the people who cheer Trump for using spiteful little nicknames for his political rivals and constantly calling media organizations he doesn’t like “failing”. They really don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about “pettiness” in other people. ---
**Author:** ![bonzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@bonzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bonzer)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/40 "2019-04-04T00:20:55Z")
The [url=“[Commander in cheat? Donald Trump's 18 golf tournament wins examined | Golf | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/apr/02/donald-trump-golf-28-club-championships)”]_Guardian_’s extract. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926.md?page=3)