# Book on Trump's golf cheating **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 2, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926 "2019-04-02T15:26:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/41 "2019-04-04T00:30:07Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > They really don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about “pettiness” in other people. That’s the point. It’s not about fairness or equality. It’s about privilege. Trump doesn’t think everyone should be allowed to cheat. He thinks he should be allowed to cheat while everyone else is handicapped by playing by the rules. He feels he should have an advantage because he’s a powerful person. Trump followers believe that if they support Trump, they’re joining the winning side. Some of Trump’s power will rub off on them. And they will be able to push people around in their lives like Trump pushes people around in his life. Trump knows this is nonsense. He takes power from his supporters; he doesn’t give it away to them. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/42 "2019-04-05T00:05:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That’s the point. It’s not about fairness or equality. It’s about privilege. > > Trump doesn’t think everyone should be allowed to cheat. He thinks he should be allowed to cheat while everyone else is handicapped by playing by the rules. Case in point from the Guardian article linked to above > [@](#): > > We do know that Trump played in the 2007 Westchester Men’s Club Championship and was knocked out in the first round by a 15-year-old named Adam Levin. Trump was four-up with five holes to play, helped greatly by the 60-year-old calling two ticky-tack rule violations on the kid, one for accidentally touching the grass inside a hazard and one for fixing a small ball mark off the green, both loss-of-hole penalties. Who the hell calls niggling technical fouls on an 15 year old kid. Oh, our president, that’s who. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/43 "2019-04-05T23:51:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Trump followers believe that if they support Trump, they’re joining the winning side. Some of Trump’s power will rub off on them. And they will be able to push people around in their lives like Trump pushes people around in his life. AND _when_ they win the lottery, they’ll pay hardly any taxes! ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/44 "2019-04-06T14:25:22Z")
I’m afraid that I made a Trump out of myself: after dismissing the need for me to buy that book earlier in this thread I went and bought it yesterday. Ricky Reilly does a great job of describing how much DJT lies and I believe every single word of what he writes because except to people who still defend him it’s pretty obvious what kind of “character” DJT possesses. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/45 "2019-04-27T03:01:39Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Worth noting that Trump is apparently genuinely a good golfer (which I guess is unsurprising given how much he plays). He just wants to be known as an amazing one. How would anyone know if he’s a good golfer since he doesn’t appear to have ever played an honest round in his entire life? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/46 "2019-04-27T03:34:14Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > How would anyone know if he’s a good golfer since he doesn’t appear to have ever played an honest round in his entire life? I’d suspect that anyone who’s played with him would recognize that he has some talent at the game, as Nars Ginley noted above – and by “good golfer,” I’d expect that they mean that he hits the ball pretty well, doesn’t get the ball into trouble particularly often, putts reasonably well, etc. No amount of cheating would hide being completely incompetent at the game, especially if you’re on the course with people who are, in fact, good at the game. Cheating won’t hide an inability to hit the ball more than 100 yards, slicing every shot, not being able to sink a 10-foot putt, etc. One can be pretty good, in that way, but still not be likely to win matches (especially because “a good 70 year old golfer” is still 70, and isn’t going to be able to play a competitive match against better / younger golfers), and that’s where the petty cheating comes into play. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/47 "2019-04-28T15:20:14Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That’s the point. It’s not about fairness or equality. It’s about privilege. > > Trump doesn’t think everyone should be allowed to cheat. He thinks he should be allowed to cheat while everyone else is handicapped by playing by the rules. He feels he should have an advantage because he’s a powerful person. > > \*\*Trump followers believe that if they support Trump, they’re joining the winning side. Some of Trump’s power will rub off on them. And they will be able to push people around in their lives like Trump pushes people around in his life. > \*\* > Trump knows this is nonsense. He takes power from his supporters; he doesn’t give it away to them. Huh. I always thought that they felt he would give them some of his money and/or let them sleep with his hot wife. Ignorance fought, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/48 "2019-04-28T15:27:21Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > How would anyone know if he’s a good golfer since he doesn’t appear to have ever played an honest round in his entire life? Think you could beat Lance Armstrong in an honest bike race? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/49 "2019-04-28T18:15:02Z")
Here’s an old Golf magazine article on Trump and the sport. > **[First Golfer: Donald Trump's relationship with golf has never been more...](https://golf.com/lifestyle/celebrities/first-golfer-donald-trumps-relationship-with-golf-has-never-been-more-complicated/)** > > Donald Trump is never more at home than he is on the links. But, as with everything in the life of a President, his relationship with the game—and the relationships he's built through it—are more complicated now. It’s well written piece and insightful. I remembered it from a few years ago. And, of course, he cheats. 18 people that played with him say so. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/50 "2019-04-28T18:36:34Z")
I guess Eisenhower and Trump were the most skilled golfers? Clinton plays but I don’t think he ever devoted a lot of time practicing. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/51 "2019-04-30T12:53:38Z")
Trump strikes me as the kind of golfer who, on a good day, could score in the mid-to-high 80s, but if he made a mistake at any time and ended up in the deep rough or a sand trap, his first instinct would be to cheat his way out of the problem. If that was not an option because people were watching him, he would probably make a few angry attempts at recovery, likely make things worse, then quit in anger while blaming his caddy. Coincidentally, that’s how I also view his presidency. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/52 "2019-05-02T16:01:36Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Think you could beat Lance Armstrong in an honest bike race? Oh, I dunno - do you think, next time, that you could come up with a relevant question? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/53 "2019-05-02T16:24:35Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > Oh, I dunno - do you think, next time, that you could come up with a relevant question? I guess you haven’t heard but Armstrong was probably doping most of his entire career. Also, lighten up, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/54 "2019-05-02T17:01:56Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Clinton plays but I don’t think he ever devoted a lot of time practicing. Clinton also believed that golf rules were flexible when he was involved. > [@](#): > > Bill Clinton was an avid golfer in office, but according to Van Natta, only “followed the rules for about a hole and a half”. > > Clinton was so fond of using a mulligan, giving a player a second chance at a stroke, that they were dubbed ‘billigans’. > **[Golfing presidents: from JFK's 'golfing outings' to 'Billigans'](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8583368/Golfing-presidents-from-JFKs-golfing-outings-to-Billigans.html)** > > You don't have to enjoy golf to be president of the United States, but it helps. Apparently Kennedy was pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/55 "2019-05-12T04:42:35Z")
[https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1126856853571424256](https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1126856853571424256) So Trump hit a ball into the water, the son of another golfer who’s about 10 or 11 hit his onto the green, then Trump had his caddie switch balls so he could putt and had the caddie inform the kid it was his that went into the water. Now, what’s wrong with this picture? The son was apparently an adult in his 20s, so Rick Reilly has set the record straight. Which now makes that anecdote as uninteresting to me as the rest of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/56 "2019-05-12T17:35:04Z")
so it’s OK to cheat a guy who is an adult but not a kid? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/57 "2019-05-12T21:49:54Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > so it’s OK to cheat a guy who is an adult but not a kid? Neither is okay. It’s just a tad more contemptible, disgusting, and disgraceful to cheat a child. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/58 "2019-05-13T15:41:31Z")
It’s easier, though. Give him that. 'Course it only means a bully likes to pick the weakest target he can. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/59 "2019-05-13T21:38:07Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s easier, though. Give him that. > > 'Course it only means a bully likes to pick the weakest target he can. Yes, the phrase “punching down” was tailor-made for the example of Trump cheating a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926/60 "2019-05-17T19:22:42Z")
He is claiming he shot a 68 last month . [Donald Trump's '68' golf score wasn't actually a thing | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/17/politics/donald-trump-golf/index.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/book-on-trumps-golf-cheating/831926.md?page=4)