Booksnobbery

I am over forty and enjoy YA books, along with your standard “adult” lit.

I have read both The Hunger Games trilogy and the* Twilight* series and I can assure you there are huge differences between the two.

  • In Twilight, the main female character, Bella, is passive. In The Hunger Games, the main female character, Katniss, actually does stuff.

  • In Twilight, once Bella finds Edward and falls for him, she really doesn’t care about anything else (like making other friends). Except for Jacob, but everyone knows she’s not going to end up with him, right? In The Hunger Games, Katniss is also torn between two guys, but it’s not the sole focus of her existence. She cares deeply about her family and about some of the people she meets in the course of the story.

  • In Twilight, the author can’t write an actual combat scene to save her life. She literally knocks Bella out at one point and recaps what happened (the fight) later. In The Hunger Games, the author shows us not just the violence, but the consequences.

  • But, it is not really fair to compare the two. Twilight is YA supernatural romance. The Hunger Games is YA dystopia fiction with romance thrown in.

  • In my opinion, The Hunger Games is better overall than Twilight. Don’t avoid it just because it’s popular! Popular does not equal “sucks”. :wink:

Have you considered he may be dyslexic?

It used to be that if you saw me when I wasn’t at work, there was a 90% possibility that my nose was stuck in a book. Then I just… stopped reading.

The problem is that a book has to grab me in the first few sentences. I just don’t have the patience for slow build-up. I recently finished the first two Hunger Games books, but lost interest in the third after a few pages and just looked up the summary on wikipedia.

This seems like a lazy thing to say. What “turgid dreck” are you referencing, specifically?

It is indeed lazy, so I’ll just point to this.

I’m being facetious. But I do think that there’s a lot less to literary fiction than is often assumed. You’ll easily find a good story well told in genre and YA fiction. In serious fiction, once you scrape off all the pretension and affectation, there’s often not much left.

Just lyrical prose.

that Myers essay doesn’t really hold water - he points to a few not-so-great authors (none of whom, except for Auster, I particularly like either) while overlooking the truly bewildering range of other genuinely good ones out there. I have to wonder what you’ve been reading, or what you haven’t been reading, that makes you feel this way toward the near-entirety of “serious fiction,” whatever we take that to mean.

I read all the time and have always been a reader, but I tend to read for fun, even though I was an English major. My favorite genre is fantasy. I do read some YA and enjoy some of it. “Twilight” was awful, and I couldn’t get through the first couple of chapters of the first book. I thought I’d like it since it’s in the fantasy stable, but it was just too baaaaaa-ad.

Love me some Harry Potter. I’ve read all of the Hunger Games and liked it better than twilight, but it was just mediocre in my opinion. The reading level was very basic. OTOH, I recently read “Seraphina,” which is also a YA fantasy story, and the reading level is much higher and I had to whip out a dictionary to get through it.

I think the burgeoning of the YA book industry has to do with the Internet. The younger generation has money to spend, and marketers are going to go for that if they can. They see “Twilight” doing well, so any other books that appeal to YA readers in similar ways are probably going to get a lot of promotion. The younger generations are also on You Tube, doing book reviews. You Tube’s book reviews are in large part YA focused. It gets a little old sometimes.

I see what you did there.

I plead no contest. It was unfair to dismiss an entire segment of fiction based on my estimation of a small sample. I guess I’m a bit of a snob.

I think literary snobbery is silly. When I was a kid, I read everything that wasn’t nailed down. Dime-a-dozen romance novels, Agatha Christie mysteries, Sherlock Holmes, Poe, Harry Potter, Shakespeare, Stephen King, Dickens, the back of cereal boxes, shampoo bottles, Asimov, Douglas Adams, Roald Dahl, Madeleine L’Engle, the articles in my dad’s Penthouse collection when I was home alone, Dan Brown, A Clockwork Orange, et farking cetera. I have partaken of practically every possible kind of fiction/fantasy literature in existence, and I firmly believe they ALL have something to offer. Even Twilight. While I may not indulge in the same idealization and fantasy as the author herself, I still think it’s better for teens to be reading Twilight than nothing. At least they’re reading!

I would classify myself as a very light reader these days, partly because my Kindle Fire is too heavy to function as an e-reader, and partly because I prefer the interactivity of online forums. But I’ve read Hunger Games, and I loved it. I read trashy romances occasionally and love them. I reread my Douglas Adams anthology on an annual-ish basis and love it. I still love the Wrinkle in Time series. I love it all, it just doesn’t feel like there are enough hours in the day anymore.

Anyway, quit being a book snob. If you saw me reading Hunger Games or a trashy romance in public and assumed I was a fool who wouldn’t touch Asimov, *you *would be the fool in that scenario.

Fuck, I read things I call junk…sometimes a little intensely-over-the-top melodrama can be FUN, even if it’s barely competently written and incredibly formulaic.

If you struggle to get through a book a week, perhaps you aren’t quite as devoted as you profess to be.

Or maybe has so many other demands on time and energy that carving out reading time is a challenge, maybe favors longer works, etc.

Well, aren’t you helpful and sweet!

Look, I knew I’d get flamed to a certain degree for admitting to some prejudice. I’m trying to be more open-minded about different kinds of books, and I came here for some help getting over it, which many people have offered me. I need to quit being a snob and let people enjoy what they enjoy. I’m human, and I have prejudices - this thread shows I’m not alone in this particular one.

Just because I don’t read quickly these days doesn’t mean I don’t like reading. I miss having more time to read. Since I started the thread you linked to (in May) I’ve been able to find more time to read on weekend mornings, and I’m happier with my new routine. But you’re right, I’m not as “devoted” to reading as I used to be, or as much as I would like to be. I listen to audiobooks on my long commute, I read on weekends, and I have a book with me all the time so I can read in waiting rooms and on breaks at work. It’s not as much as I would like, but it’s what works for me right now. If that level of dedication is insufficient and makes me unqualified to start threads about reading, it’s news to me.

Jesus, another thread where people get all “aren’t we ace” about reading (and no, that isn’t the same thing as being a book snob, so this is thread drift)? For fuck’s sake, it has only been a matter of days since the last one. Hell, that other one is probably ongoing.

Look people, book reading isn’t unusual. Book reading happens a lot in this world. This forum isn’t full of the upper echelons of the literary elite, we swoop from there all the way down to people that obsess about boy bands, their own shit and how to pop blackheads.

You want to know how non-readers do it? By being not you. Different people like different things. Some people love books, some people love internet porn, some love to run naked in the woods and stuff their faces in stinging nettles. Once you understand this you’ll realise there is nothing to understand about why other people do other things, they just do because we are all different.

You are not special for reading.

Man, this place irritates me sometimes.

Wrong. I read quite a few children’s books as well as having read all of those authors, and most of the major authors of the 19th and 20th Centuries. I read a pretty good number of kids books mixed up with the weighty important grown-up books now (David Mitchell, Don DeLillo, etc.) I know plenty of other people who include some kid lit in their literary grazing.

(Correction: I actually haven’t read Henrietta Lacks, and don’t know who she is.)

Eh, don’t let him bother you. Obviously he was just here for a one-line threadshit, and had no real point to make. I don’t take how many books you can read a year as a sign of how much a person reads. While I do set goals for myself on Goodreads, I generally start out low (20 or 30 books) because I don’t want to choose books based solely on length so I can meet a goal. Some books take me a month or two to read because of length, difficulty, or lack of time. On a busy week (such as the past one for me), I might only get through 100 pages of a book. It doesn’t mean that I don’t want to read, it means that I can’t. So I can totally relate to what you’re saying. And, for the record, I do think audiobooks count.

As I said before, it’s hard to set these prejudices aside. As you said, you’re only human and you recognize this fault in yourself and are trying. That’s more than a lot of people can say.

Instead, we can be happy because you are reading instead of watching TV. :smiley:

Not to sound like a snob myself, but the last time I watched tv was when I was too sick to sit upright at my computer desk, and too miserable/in pain to fall asleep. Which would be about… 6 months ago? Forums are the poison I’ve picked. :slight_smile: