# Borden None Such Mince Meat - help me settle a family debate! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 26, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973 "2010-11-26T14:31:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xanthous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/53a042/32.png) [@xanthous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xanthous)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/1 "2010-11-26T14:31:46Z")
I **know** that I have had mince meat pie (made with meat) several times in my life. I’m pretty sure that either my grandmother or my aunt made it. My father swears that it was never made with meat- that it was a mince pie and not a mince meat pie. However he remembers clearly that it was Borden None Such Mince (meat). So- did Borden make a None Such meatless variety of pie filling? Or was Borden None Such strictly a mince meat filling? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/2 "2010-11-26T15:37:21Z")
There **is** meat in [Borden’s](http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10052&catalogId=10002&productId=352940) (…Salt, **Beef** , Corn Starch…). ---
**Author:** ![gwendee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@gwendee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gwendee)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/3 "2010-11-26T16:16:54Z")
My mom makes mincemeat tarts at Thanksgiving and Christmas. She used Nonesuch until my sister became a vegetarian. Now she makes a meatless version at home. ---
**Author:** ![reinaldok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc8723/32.png) [@reinaldok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reinaldok)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/4 "2010-12-02T01:33:02Z")
Borden’s None Such Classic Original MINCEMEAT contains absolutely no MEAT and never has. Dad is correct in stating that mincemeat does not contain meat. I have always thought of mincemeat as a vegetarian- possibly vegan product.it is very difficult to find except in the months of November or December. ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/5 "2010-12-02T01:40:06Z")
Mince meat is sweet, not savory. Actual meat is often omitted in mince meat recipes, but it usually will contain beef suet. The main ingredients are apples, raisins, currents, lemon peel, spices, brandy, etc. Mince pie is something else entirely, since mince refers to ground beef. It’s a savory meat pie with onions and spices. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/6 "2010-12-02T01:41:58Z")
> [@reinaldok](#): > > Dad is correct in stating that mincemeat does not contain meat. I have always thought of mincemeat as a vegetarian- possibly vegan product. It depends how it is made. I’ve had it both meat (though I may be misremembering and it was just suet) and meatless, and have recipes for both. I’m not sure which my aunt makes though (we usually get a jar of hers at this time of year). I also see the jars at the store year round, I’m pretty sure those are meatless though. I can’t comment on the answer to the OP, I’ve never heard of that brand. ---
**Author:** ![kittenblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@kittenblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kittenblue)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/7 "2010-12-02T04:25:57Z")
> [@reinaldok](#): > > Borden’s None Such Classic Original MINCEMEAT contains absolutely no MEAT and never has. > Dad is correct in stating that mincemeat does not contain meat. I have always thought of mincemeat as a vegetarian- possibly vegan product.it is very difficult to find except in the months of November or December. Then how do you explain the inclusion of beef on the official ingredients list in the link shown in post #2? ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/8 "2010-12-02T04:38:09Z")
> [@kittenblue](#): > > Then how do you explain the inclusion of beef on the official ingredients list in the link shown in post #2? It [contain](http://www2.meijer.com/Nutrition/Nutrition.aspx?UPC=65272912342)s 0 g of fat and only 1 g of protein, so perhaps beef refers to a beef bouillion cube used to mimic the flavour that would normally come from the traditional ingredient of beef suet? ---
**Author:** ![Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swords_to_Plowshares)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/9 "2010-12-02T05:41:47Z")
Man, I had a hell of a time trying to parse the OP until I saw DCnDC’s link. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/10 "2010-12-02T14:41:55Z")
> [@Implicit](#): > > Mince meat is sweet, not savory. Actual meat is often omitted in mince meat recipes, but it usually will contain beef suet. The main ingredients are apples, raisins, currents, lemon peel, spices, brandy, etc. > > Mince pie is something else entirely, since mince refers to ground beef. It’s a savory meat pie with onions and spices. This seems to capture the possible source of the confusion. Like ‘driveway’ and ‘parkway’, the names are reversed: ‘mince’ is meat, but ‘mincemeat’ is fruit (optionally with suet). ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/11 "2010-12-02T15:00:02Z")
My Mother always said that the “meat” referred to nut meat. As the daughter of a South Georgia caterer, she’s quite the expert on pies in general, and especially those containing pecans. ---
**Author:** ![Loisseau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/2bfe46/32.png) [@Loisseau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loisseau)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/borden-none-such-mince-meat-help-me-settle-a-family-debate/561973/12 "2010-12-02T16:18:36Z")
[Mincemeat](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincemeat)