# Both Death Penalty and Abortion or Neither **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 10, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-death-penalty-and-abortion-or-neither/513270 "2009-10-10T03:03:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-death-penalty-and-abortion-or-neither/513270/461 "2009-11-26T04:43:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you find it acceptable to punish the child of a rapist and his victim with death? I can’t speak for Trihs, but I don’t care what punishment the fetus suffers. There’s a more important issue at stake. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-death-penalty-and-abortion-or-neither/513270/462 "2009-11-26T05:00:47Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Yes, curse me and my unreasonable determination to value women over a lump of tissue. :rolleyes: So the third trimester fetus in your basement rape example is a lump of tissue even though it has brain activity and feels pain? > [@](#): > > All of which will be outlawed under a system that looks at women as inferior to a fetus. Why would that be treating the life of the fetus over the discomfort (even extreme discomfort) of the woman lead you to that conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-death-penalty-and-abortion-or-neither/513270/463 "2009-11-26T05:17:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why would that be treating the life of the fetus over the discomfort (even extreme discomfort) of the woman lead you to that conclusion? If I may, societies that value fetuses over women generally suck. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-death-penalty-and-abortion-or-neither/513270/464 "2009-11-26T05:21:05Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I guess the millions of aborted fetuses don’t really care anymore cuz they’re dead. SO I guess there is really only one side to the issue. /boggle They didn’t care before they were aborted, either. There’s nobody there TO care. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you find it acceptable to punish the child of a rapist and his victim with death? > > I’ll tell you what, lets carve out an exception for that fact pattern just like we can carve out an exception to torture for ticking time bombs and then say no abortions after viability unless the health or life of the mother is at stake? I don’t support torture under any circumstances. And the child of the rapist isn’t being punished; there is no such child, just an lump of flesh. The person being punished by making abortion illegal is the woman. Raped once already; then essentially raped again for nine months by the state. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So the third trimester fetus in your basement rape example is a lump of tissue even though it has brain activity and feels pain? So does a dog. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why would that be treating the life of the fetus over the discomfort (even extreme discomfort) of the woman lead you to that conclusion? Because that’s what you are doing, treating a woman as less than a fetus. As far as I am concerned, outlawing abortion is the moral equivalent of state mandated rape. Worse, if anything since it lasts longer. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-death-penalty-and-abortion-or-neither/513270/465 "2009-11-26T05:27:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How about abortions limited to the first trimester unless the life or health of the mother is at stake? IIRC, isn’t that usually the case? Most abortions ARE performed in the first trimester. (Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-death-penalty-and-abortion-or-neither/513270.md?page=23)