# Both Hilary Clinton and Bernie Sanders need to officially bow out of 2020 now **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 24, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476 "2018-02-24T17:31:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/21 "2018-02-25T01:24:21Z")
I honestly was expecting 2016 to be a change election with younger candidates. I’m now expecting 2020 to be one, with younger candidates in both sides. Yes, both sides. I don’t expect Trump to run again. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/22 "2018-02-25T04:45:53Z")
“You won’t have Don the Con to kick around any more…” ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/23 "2018-02-25T05:38:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > IMO, this kind of bitterness is doing just as much damage to the Democratic party as what you’re accusing Bernie and his supporters of. This is how I look at it – we have passionate people who disagreed on some stuff in the '16 race and got angry, and some of them didn’t behave strategically, but they were still mostly decent people doing what they thought was best. We’ll need them all to win in '18 and '20. Shitting on them as much as you do helps no one but Trump and his supporters. But don’t you see? It’s \*really important \*that any new active Democrats down at the local level get told off for being Bernie fans, so a bunch of them quit in disgust, and the Clinton camp can get back to being the big dogs in a party built to lose! Seriously, one would assume Hillary had a chance to pull in a running mate that would appeal to a big chunk of Bernie fans, and apparently didn’t care enough to try. I didn’t want Bernie to take the VP slot himself, but I know some people would have voted for that. What was that about? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/24 "2018-02-25T06:01:20Z")
If Bernie runs again he’ll just be a rung. A candidate that can’t outperform Bernie in the primaries has no legs. If Bernie wins the primaries then the Union is teetering on the edge as the extent of corruption in the Republican administration is revealed, or if not that then the Democrats are just as useless as they have been for a long time now. If Hillary runs again the Democratic party splits into Hillary and antiHillary factions which annihilate each other when they meet at the convention. We could only hope that is, more likely after losing the election the internal bickering becomes worse resulting in the Democrats being just as useless as they have been for a long time now. Best bet is some analog to Jimmy Carter in the face of a Trump meltdown. Otherwise prepare for a bleak future. Well, prepare for a bleak future anyway, there is no path to a brighter future based on the traditional political parties. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/25 "2018-02-25T06:25:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > “You won’t have Don the Con to kick around any more…” Tell it to the prison gangs. Janaury 21st 2021, Trump gets hit with a wave of federal indictments and with a democratic president there is no one to pardon him. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/26 "2018-02-25T06:31:52Z")
I still think Elizabeth Warren is the only one with the record of fighting for the little guy to pull in the Bernie supporters. My fear is that the DNC will be afraid to run a woman again. My only concern is that she’ll be 70 in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/27 "2018-02-25T06:37:56Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I still think Elizabeth Warren is the only one with the record of fighting for the little guy to pull in the Bernie supporters. My fear is that the DNC will be afraid to run a woman again. My only concern is that she’ll be 70 in 2020. From what I’ve read (and I’ve seen this mentioned in more than one book supposedly written by political insiders), Warren doesn’t have the stomach for a presidential fight. So she probably won’t run. She may be picked as a VP, but I doubt she runs herself anytime soon. Are there well known progressives under 55? Gavin Newsom would make a decent presidential candidate and next generation progressive. I think the older boomer generation of democrats are still so traumatized by Carter, Reagan and the 1994 congressional loss that they think the only way to win is to govern as republican lite and engage in pro-corporate triangulation. We need democrats who are actual democrats. The older democrats act like abused spouses and govern like 90s republicans. Its too bad Anthony Weiner fucked his life up. He was a good next generation progressive too. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/28 "2018-02-25T07:03:02Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I don’t see what is wrong with Sanders running again. > > However his response to the fact that Russia tried to help him is pretty upsetting. > > Are there younger progressives who can run for president? He’ll be way too old, for one. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/29 "2018-02-25T07:07:31Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I still think Elizabeth Warren is the only one with the record of fighting for the little guy to pull in the Bernie supporters. My fear is that the DNC will be afraid to run a woman again. As well they should be. The public may, or may not, be too sexist to elect a female president. THIS election is not the time to test that hypothesis. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/30 "2018-02-25T10:26:58Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Hillary Clinton has already stated she won’t be a candidate. It’s only bored pundits who keep mentioning her. Not as a candidate, of course, but Trump, Fox News, the CPAC crowd - none of them have shut up about her for more than five minutes at a stretch, it seems. It’s like she’s this girlfriend they kept on being shitty to, and now that she’s out of their lives, they can’t let go of her. If the Republican Party were a person, it would be phoning Hillary at 3am three times a week to yell at her about what a worthless cunt she is. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/31 "2018-02-25T13:37:31Z")
Has Jimmy Carter officially declared yet that he won’t be running? He needs to stop being so divisive and make it clear, already! He’s tearing the party apart with his waffling. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/32 "2018-02-25T13:41:29Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > The difference is, I’ll be voting Democratic in 2018 and 2020 and will never throw my vote away on a novelty 3rd party candidate nor stay home or do a pointless write in. I hate Daniel Biss (who is a whiny Bernie Bro clone) and I hope he gets his butt kicked in the Illinois Governor’s primary. But, if he wins, I’ll vote for him because Bruce Rauner is unacceptable. What percentage of Sanders supporters are you different from in this respect? And what’s your cite? Because if it’s less than 50%, it’s contemptible bullshit to keep putting it on Sanders supporters in general. If it’s [less than 30%](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/21/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-history-shows-win-bernie-sanders/), it’s hilariously contemptible bullshit, and you should check yourself on it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/33 "2018-02-25T13:44:26Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > To what list? The list of two people, one of whom is Bernie Sanders? He could have meant Sarah Huckabee Sanders, but I doubt it. She too needs to go, btw. The fact that Trump and Fox and their disciples need to keep harping on both names, and Obama and Pelosi too, is just sad. Don’t they know they won? And that everything is \*their \*problem now? Time to grow the fuck up, even if just a little. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/34 "2018-02-25T14:25:53Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > The last spoiled child in the Democratic primaries was Jerry Brown back in 1992. Nader. 2000. Might not be in the D primaries but by the time the general election rolled around his supporters had to know he’d no chance. So instead we got GWB, the death of real conservatism and two wars we’re still involved in as well as curtailing of individual liberties. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/35 "2018-02-25T15:11:02Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Nader. 2000. Might not be in the D primaries but by the time the general election rolled around his supporters had to know he’d no chance. So instead we got GWB, the death of real conservatism and two wars we’re still involved in as well as curtailing of individual liberties. With many caveats, I have to agree on the Nader front. (Caveats include voting for him in states where it was clear the margin would be big, and the fact that there were many many factors that had a bigger impact on the election outcome than Nader, who he only gets a smidge of the blame, but gets some nevertheless). ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/36 "2018-02-25T17:00:47Z")
That’s the hazard of voting 3rd party. You never know what you’re gonna get. If 6/10 of 1% of Nader’s FLA voters had voted D Gore would have won those electoral votes. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/37 "2018-02-25T17:09:47Z")
I’m really getting tired of the term “Bernie Bro.” First of all, while I’m not generally the type who gives a shit about “gendering” things, it does happen to be a gendered insult and therefore inaccurate because I know a hell of a lot of women who supported Sanders. It’s also just needlessly derisive of the people who support him, many of whom are people with integrity and conviction who are exercising their right to support the candidate that they choose. “Bernie Bro” is the kind of thing that Trump would say. We really don’t need to be assisting him in lowering the level of discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/38 "2018-02-25T17:11:29Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > With many caveats, I have to agree on the Nader front. (Caveats include voting for him in states where it was clear the margin would be big, and the fact that there were many many factors that had a bigger impact on the election outcome than Nader, who he only gets a smidge of the blame, but gets some nevertheless). I think most of us who’d point out Nader are really thinking of Florida, where Gore lost by 537 votes after Nader pulled 97K+ votes… ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/39 "2018-02-25T21:02:06Z")
The real damage that Nader did was forcing Gore to have to cover himself and campaign in places that he’d never thought he’d have to defend, such as Oregon. That caused the Gore campaign to have to pull out of Ohio late in the game as well as not getting to New Hampshire where Nader also played spoiler. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476/40 "2018-02-26T14:58:05Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I mean, seriously. Where’s the young blood? Biden would be be c. 78 on his day of inauguration. Cory Booker and Kamilla Harris are both being aggressively floated. (Personally, I think the best thing would be if Sanders passes away quietly in his sleep in the next year. He won’t be able to keep his mouth shut, and isn’t likely to do more harm than good when he opens it. If he could slip into elder stateman and be a rational voice for Progressives, but I doubt there isn’t anything rational in his makeup. Biden has slipped comfortably into elder statesman role) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/both-hilary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-need-to-officially-bow-out-of-2020-now/809476.md?page=3)