# Botticelli 2009!

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**Created:** [January 8, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311 "2009-01-08T00:42:33Z")\
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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/261 "2009-01-12T08:59:22Z")

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I am of course, referring to the Pink Panther 🙂

DQ: Did you use to be a political leader?  
And a defender doesn’t score a lot of goals 😛 So I’ll rephrase my question:  
Are you a South American striker who used to score a lot of goals in the Bundesliga but has since moved on to the Premier League?

Are you a Frenchman who said: “All men’s miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone”?

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/262 "2009-01-12T11:46:48Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> I am of course, referring to the Pink Panther 🙂
> 
> DQ: Did you use to be a political leader?  
> And a defender doesn’t score a lot of goals 😛 So I’ll rephrase my question:  
> Are you a South American striker who used to score a lot of goals in the Bundesliga but has since moved on to the Premier League?
> 
> Are you a Frenchman who said: “All men’s miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone”?

What makes the Pink Panther “undefined?” :dubious:

To answer your DQ: Yes, I was once a political leader.

No, I am not Claudio Pizarro.

Nor am I Blaise Pascal. 🙂

To recap:

I was a political leader.  
I am not an artist.  
I am not alive.  
I am male.  
I am not fictional.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/263 "2009-01-12T12:06:50Z")

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Have you ever seen a pink panther in nature? Hence it’s undefined which kind of panther he is 😃

Ok, I’ll give you that it wasn’t very well put. So I won’t ask a dq.

Did you have to choose between pardoning two people, and ended up pardoning the murderer?

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/264 "2009-01-12T12:10:35Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> Have you ever seen a pink panther in nature? Hence it’s undefined which kind of panther he is 😃
> 
> Ok, I’ll give you that it wasn’t very well put. So I won’t ask a dq.
> 
> Did you have to choose between pardoning two people, and ended up pardoning the murderer?

You already asked a DQ for it and I answered, I’m not worried about it. 🙂

However, I am not Pontius Pilate.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/265 "2009-01-12T12:18:41Z")

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Well, :smack:, I guess I did.

Are you the step son of a Premier League legend, who also plays there?

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/266 "2009-01-12T12:26:40Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> Well, :smack:, I guess I did.
> 
> Are you the step son of a Premier League legend, who also plays there?

I am not Shaun Wright-Phillips? 😕

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/267 "2009-01-12T12:41:30Z")

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Correctamundo, he’s the step son of [Ian Wright.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Wright).

But since I’m on such a footballing run (don’t ya love it 😉 ):

Are you the first goalie who ever got a red card in a World Cup match?

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/268 "2009-01-12T13:12:24Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> Correctamundo, he’s the step son of [Ian Wright.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Wright).
> 
> But since I’m on such a footballing run (don’t ya love it 😉 ):
> 
> Are you the first goalie who ever got a red card in a World Cup match?

I’m done Googling your football stats. Deliberately exploiting a chooser’s weakness is horrible form and you should be _ashamed._ [/finger wagging] 😛

Have a DQ, you illegitimate son of a viking. :mad:

😉

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/269 "2009-01-12T13:17:47Z")

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Gianluca Pagliuca got sent off for handballing the ball outside the penalty area in Italy’s game against Norway in the World Cup played in the USA in -94.

And what about you guys tormenting me with artists and painters in the last run 😛

Ok, dq: Are you of European descent?

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/270 "2009-01-12T13:31:26Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> Gianluca Pagliuca got sent off for handballing the ball outside the penalty area in Italy’s game against Norway in the World Cup played in the USA in -94.
> 
> And what about you guys tormenting me with artists and painters in the last run 😛
> 
> Ok, dq: Are you of European descent?

In 1994 I was more interested in the latest Sega Genesis game than in the World Cup, sorry. Granted, even now I’m not much for watching sports, playing them is a million times more satisfying. 😃 But not soccer. I suck at soccer and I don’t have enough friends who like to play it to have any hope of ever getting any better. ☹ All of my friends in both the US and Japan have been more into baseball and/or basketball.

I am not of European descent.  
I was a political leader.  
I am not an artist.  
I am not alive.  
I am male.  
I am not fictional.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/271 "2009-01-12T13:41:51Z")

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I’ve never been very good at basketball (guess I can’t jump), but we play a sorta baseball over here which can be pretty fun at times. Especially when combined with chugging a beer at every base 🙂

But enough fooling about; time to get serious 😃

Did you have fake villages named after you?

Did you move your capital while being a local lord of a place that now has been united into a nation? (eh, yeah, that makes sense)

Did you assist your master in fighting windmills?

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/272 "2009-01-12T14:03:40Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> Did you have fake villages named after you?
> 
> Did you move your capital while being a local lord of a place that now has been united into a nation? (eh, yeah, that makes sense)
> 
> Did you assist your master in fighting windmills?

I am not Potemkin.

Ummmm, no? Only P ruler who moved his capital that I know is Peter the Great. But he wasn’t a local lord. Have another DQ.

I am not Sancho Panza.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/273 "2009-01-12T14:11:17Z")

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Emperor [Pan Geng](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Geng) moved his capital to Yin; he was a local lord in what had yet to become China.

DQ: Are you Asian?

IQ: Did you build your nations first organized fleet in not one, not two, but three different seas?

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/274 "2009-01-12T14:38:43Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> Emperor [Pan Geng](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Geng) moved his capital to Yin; he was a local lord in what had yet to become China.
> 
> DQ: Are you Asian?
> 
> IQ: Did you build your nations first organized fleet in not one, not two, but three different seas?

DQ: Yes, I am Asian.

I am going to stab in the dark and say Peter the Great again? They did have plenty of seas to build in. If I’m wrong, feel free to a DQ.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/275 "2009-01-12T14:44:33Z")

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Yeah, Peter the Great built Russias first fleet in the Black Sea to fight the Ottomans, the first in the Arctic Ocean, for the heck of it\*, and in the Baltic, to fight the Swedes.

He really liked ships.

\*or to be able to send traders to Europe without the hassle of the Danes and the Swedes

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/276 "2009-01-12T14:47:48Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> Yeah, Peter the Great built Russias first fleet in the Black Sea to fight the Ottomans, the first in the Arctic Ocean, for the heck of it\*, and in the Baltic, to fight the Swedes.

I knew he built in the Baltic and Black Seas, didn’t know he had built in the Arctic, too. Groovy.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/277 "2009-01-12T15:03:30Z")

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He was a very groovy guy! But as he isn’t who you’re asking about he sucks at the moment :mad:

Well, did you give your people a constitution, turning yourself into a half-figurehead?

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/278 "2009-01-12T15:21:30Z")

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> [@WormTheRed](#):
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> He was a very groovy guy! But as he isn’t who you’re asking about he sucks at the moment :mad:
> 
> Well, did you give your people a constitution, turning yourself into a half-figurehead?

I am not John I of the House of Plantagenet, signer of the Magna Carta?

I hesitate to say that because the Magna Carta only limited the King’s powers in theory. In practice it really did not make a huge difference.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/279 "2009-01-12T15:26:12Z")

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Well then, are you an Asian King who was forced to give his people a constitution?

Still, the Magna Carta, gave the people a piece of paper to back them up. The King couldn’t do whatever he felt like anymore.

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**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-2009/480311/280 "2009-01-12T15:40:29Z")

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Ohhh, you mean Prajadhipok. No, I’m not him.

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