# Botticelli #40

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 11, 2008, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601 "2008-08-11T13:30:39Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 11\
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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/81 "2008-08-14T08:34:40Z")

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[QUOTE=Sternvogel]  
Well, you had a one-in-eight chance with the state, but the man originally known as Owen Harlan Mickel gained fame as [Montie Montana.](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0598936/bio)

DQ: Are you racially identified as black?  
[/quote]  
No.

> [@Sternvogel](#):
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> IQ: Are you an actress who inspired Eve Plumb to repeatedly utter your character’s name in exasperation?

No, and I don’t know who you mean.

> [@Biffy](#):
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> Are you stately and plump?

No, and I don’t know who you mean - sounds like a Gilbert & Sullivan character but I’m drawing a blank.

> [@Governor Quinn](#):
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> 1. Is the fiction you appear in humorous by intention?
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> 2. Would any of the works you’ve appeared in be, under any circumstances, be considered best-sellers?
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> An IQ:
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> Were you a player and manager for both St. Louis baseball teams of the 20th century?

Yes, yes, and no, but I don’t know who you mean.

> [@astorian](#):
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> _six questions on pop music, films, and American politics, on all of which I suck_

Yup, take six DQs.

> [@Elendil's Heir](#):
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> Were you a particular spy’s boss?

Hmm, I don’t think ‘M’ has another name, so I guess you mean someone else - take a DQ.

Summary:

Fictional  
Character in literature  
Male  
20th century  
Not crime genre  
American creator  
Been in a movie  
Male creator  
“Good guy”  
Not British literature  
Not dead  
Not in periodical fiction  
Not adapted for TV  
Originated in English  
Not appeared in the last ten years  
First appeared after WWII  
Not Sci-Fi/fantasy  
Not a killer  
Not a main character in a series  
Not a criminal  
Appears in a humorous work  
Appears in a bestseller

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**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/82 "2008-08-14T11:32:54Z")

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The first words of James Joyce’s _Ulysses_ are “Stately, plump Buck Mulligan…” Mulligan’s real first name is Malachi.

DQ: Do you appear in a war story?

Related IQ: Are you a schemer appearing in the same novel as Major Major Major Major?

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/83 "2008-08-14T12:03:40Z")

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Michael Madsen cut off a cop’s ear in “Reservoir Dogs”

Martha Mitchell, the Attorney General’s wife, was a memorable Watergate witness

French mime Marcel Marceau was the only person to speak in “Silent Movie”

Mark Metcalf was the sadistic Doug Niedermeyer, who screamed “Drop and give me 20” in “Animal House” (and in several Twisted Sister videos).

Melissa Manchester won a Grammy for the song “You Should Hear How She Talks About You”

Michael Murphey sang “Wildfire,” a hit about a ghost girl who rides a ghost horse.

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DQ1: Did you first appear in a book after 1970?

DQ2: Are you married?

DQ3: Is your creator Jewish?

DQ4: Are you the narrator of any of the books you appear in?

DQ5: Is your creator still alive?

DQ6: Have you appeared in a movie in the past 10 years?

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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/84 "2008-08-14T12:14:18Z")

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[QUOTE=Biffy the Elephant Shrew]  
The first words of James Joyce’s _Ulysses_ are “Stately, plump Buck Mulligan…” Mulligan’s real first name is Malachi.

DQ: Do you appear in a war story?

Related IQ: Are you a schemer appearing in the same novel as Major Major Major Major?  
[/QUOTE]  
Yes and YES! I am [Milo Minderbinder](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Minderbinder), one of the stars of Joseph Heller’s _Catch-22_, which is one of my all-time favourite books. I knew it was only a matter of time once you guessed Major Major.

For completeness, I believe the answers to all **astorian** ’s DQs are “no”.

Well done, **Biffy** , thanks to everyone for playing!

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/85 "2008-08-14T12:19:38Z")

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Ok - having only read Catch 22 once (and that was a few years ago), I never would’ve gotten that.

But (without reading the wiki - yeah, I’m lazy), he is the guy who gives a guy his share on a napkin right?

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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/86 "2008-08-14T12:25:33Z")

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[QUOTE=WormTheRed]  
Ok - having only read Catch 22 once (and that was a few years ago), I never would’ve gotten that.

But (without reading the wiki - yeah, I’m lazy), he is the guy who gives a guy his share on a napkin right?  
[/QUOTE]  
Right.

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**Author:** ![WormTheRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bbe5ce/32.png) [@WormTheRed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WormTheRed)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/87 "2008-08-14T12:27:12Z")

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Good book, nevertheless… should try to get my hands on it at the library.

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**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/88 "2008-08-14T14:23:31Z")

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Thanks for the game, **Dead Cat**! Funny how I was so close with Major Major. Starting new round in 3…2…1…

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/89 "2008-08-14T15:56:01Z")

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[QUOTE=Elendil’s Heir]  
Were you a particular spy’s boss?  
[/QUOTE]

Yes, Bond’s boss is usually just referred to as “M,” but his full title and name is Admiral Sir Miles Messervey.

Congrats to **Biffy**! I should’ve guessed that.

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/90 "2008-08-14T18:02:44Z")

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[QUOTE=Dead Cat]  
For completeness, I believe the answers to all **astorian** ’s DQs are “no”.  
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At least one would have deserved a “yes” answer – Joseph Heller was of Jewish ancestry, although I don’t know if he practiced the faith.

[Quote=Sternvogel]  
IQ: Are you an actress who inspired Eve Plumb to repeatedly utter your character’s name in exasperation?  
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The reference is to [Maureen McCormick.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maureen_McCormick) On _The Brady Bunch_, sister Jan (played by Plumb) once petulantly exclaimed “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!” when exasperated by the fact that McCormick’s character was generally perceived as the most beautiful, talented, and all-around wonderful of the Brady sisters.

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**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\
**Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-40/459601/91 "2008-08-15T08:52:45Z")

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[QUOTE=Sternvogel]  
At least one would have deserved a “yes” answer – Joseph Heller was of Jewish ancestry, although I don’t know if he practiced the faith.  
[/QUOTE]  
Good spot - I think I just skimmed it (as the game was over) and missed the “creator” part - I don’t think Milo himself is Jewish. Had the game still been “live” I would have researched a bit more closely. Nothing worse than one of these games where a wrong answer is given that misleads everyone! Although in this type of game, it’s likely not to matter so much as the correct person will generally crop up at some point anyway (because IQs do not have to “match” known information).

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