# Botticelli, April 2012 - Le Ministre de l'au-delà, chooser; initial Q

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**Created:** [March 30, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325 "2012-03-30T21:21:50Z")\
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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/241 "2012-04-14T18:43:36Z")

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Alzado is not obscure at all. Well done, **Wargamer**!

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/242 "2012-04-14T19:16:26Z")

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Thanks all! Hmmmm…

(In the spirit of Oscar the Grouch)

This round is brought to you by the letter “M”.

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/243 "2012-04-14T19:29:37Z")

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IQ1: Are you The Man?  
IQ2: Are you a seminal figure in the DC punk/hardcore scene?  
IQ3: Are you the Electric Company’s Easy Reader?

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/244 "2012-04-14T20:57:07Z")

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IQ1: Did you silence a boisterous audience at a performance of Arnold Schoenberg’s music, saying ‘I want to hear this piece!’ ?

IQ2: Are you one of two famous classical composers who transcribed the Allegri ‘Miserere’ from memory after one hearing, much to the Pope’s dismay and astonishment?

IQ3: (You knew this had to be coming!) Are you the other famous classical composer who transcribed the Allegri ‘Miserere’ from memory after one hearing?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/245 "2012-04-14T21:53:19Z")

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> [@Enginerd](#):
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> IQ1: Are you The Man?  
> IQ2: Are you a seminal figure in the DC punk/hardcore scene?  
> IQ3: Are you the Electric Company’s Easy Reader?

1. Maybe. But I’m not sure who you mean, so a DQ.
2. No, I’m not, but I’m not sure so another DQ.
3. No, I’m not Morgan Freeman.

> [@Le Ministre de l'au-delà](#):
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> IQ1: Did you silence a boisterous audience at a performance of Arnold Schoenberg’s music, saying ‘I want to hear this piece!’ ?
> 
> IQ2: Are you one of two famous classical composers who transcribed the Allegri ‘Miserere’ from memory after one hearing, much to the Pope’s dismay and astonishment?
> 
> IQ3: (You knew this had to be coming!) Are you the other famous classical composer who transcribed the Allegri ‘Miserere’ from memory after one hearing?

IQ1: I’m not Montovani? Not sure, so you probably get a DQ.  
IQ2: I’m not Mozart? (Maybe another DQ?)  
IQ3: I’m still not Mozart? (Definitely a DQ.)

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/246 "2012-04-14T22:09:13Z")

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> [@Enginerd](#):
>
> IQ1: Are you The Man?  
> IQ2: Are you a seminal figure in the DC punk/hardcore scene?

These are Stan “The Man” Musial and [Ian MacKaye](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_MacKaye).  
DQs:

1. Are you real?
2. Are you male?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/247 "2012-04-14T22:21:54Z")

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SUMMARY:

1. I am a real person.
2. I am a man.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/248 "2012-04-15T00:39:46Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Did you silence a boisterous audience at a performance of Arnold Schoenberg’s music, saying ‘I want to hear this piece!’ ?
> 
> IQ2: Are you one of two famous classical composers who transcribed the Allegri ‘Miserere’ from memory after one hearing, much to the Pope’s dismay and astonishment?
> 
> IQ3: (You knew this had to be coming!) Are you the other famous classical composer who transcribed the Allegri ‘Miserere’ from memory after one hearing?

> [@Wargamer](#):
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> IQ1: I’m not Montovani? Not sure, so you probably get a DQ.  
> IQ2: I’m not Mozart? (Maybe another DQ?)  
> IQ3: I’m still not Mozart? (Definitely a DQ.)

1. **Gustav Mahler** was a staunch supporter of the music of Arnold Schoenberg, and at a performance of Schoenberg’s 1st String Quartet, Mahler had to be restrained when the piece was heckled. He insisted that the quartet start again, and imposed a respectful silence on the audience. Later, he confessed to his wife, Alma, that he had no idea what to make of Schoenberg’s music, but felt it deserved to be heard, and heard properly.

2. **Mozart** is indeed correct. The Allegri ‘Miserere’ existed in three other copies, but none of them were as beautiful as the one performed once every year in the Sistine Chapel. A fourteen-year-old Mozart heard it and wrote it out from memory, then gave it to a London based publisher. This same feat of transcription was also done by

3. **Felix Mendelssohn.**

So…

DQ1: Are you American?

DQ2: Were you born aften 1900?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/249 "2012-04-15T00:51:03Z")

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IQs:

Did you live in a house in Paris covered with vines?  
Did you tell an interviewer that your dad could cook only two things?  
Did you once play a Reagan White House aide?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/250 "2012-04-15T01:28:17Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> 1. **Gustav Mahler** was a staunch supporter of the music of Arnold Schoenberg, and at a performance of Schoenberg’s 1st String Quartet, Mahler had to be restrained when the piece was heckled. He insisted that the quartet start again, and imposed a respectful silence on the audience. Later, he confessed to his wife, Alma, that he had no idea what to make of Schoenberg’s music, but felt it deserved to be heard, and heard properly.
> 
> 2. **Mozart** is indeed correct. The Allegri ‘Miserere’ existed in three other copies, but none of them were as beautiful as the one performed once every year in the Sistine Chapel. A fourteen-year-old Mozart heard it and wrote it out from memory, then gave it to a London based publisher. This same feat of transcription was also done by
> 
> 3. **Felix Mendelssohn.**
> 
> So…
> 
> DQ1: Are you American?
> 
> DQ2: Were you born aften 1900?

SUMMARY:

1. I am a real person.
2. I am a man.
3. I am not an American.
4. I was born after 1900.

> [@Elendil's Heir](#):
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> Did you live in a house in Paris covered with vines? Edit: Madelaine?  
> Did you tell an interviewer that your dad could cook only two things?  
> Did you once play a Reagan White House aide?

My _guess fu_ is weak tonight. 3(Edit: 2?) DQs for those questions.

(Still can’t believe I missed Stan the Man.)

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/251 "2012-04-15T17:31:10Z")

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IQ1: Are you Lochdubh’s village policemen, so wonderfully played by Robbie Carlyle?

IQ2: Are you a loquacious companion of Romeo’s?

IQ3: Were you killed on the Plains of Abraham?

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/252 "2012-04-15T17:41:28Z")

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Ahem - policeMAN, not men. :smack:

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/253 "2012-04-15T19:08:10Z")

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IQ1: Will you eat _anything_ - even cereal that’s supposed to be good for you?

IQ2: Does “nanu nanu” mean anything to you?

IQ3: Were you and two companions thrown into a fiery furnace by Nebuchadnezzar?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/254 "2012-04-15T21:25:40Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Are you Lochdubh’s village policemen, so wonderfully played by Robbie Carlyle?
> 
> IQ2: Are you a loquacious companion of Romeo’s?
> 
> IQ3: Were you killed on the Plains of Abraham?

IQ1: No idea, take a DQ.

IQ2: I am not Mercutio.

IQ3: I am not Louis-Joseph de Montcalm-Gozon, Marquis de Saint-Veran, commander of the French Forces in Canada during the French and Indian Wars. (Ok, I cheated a bit, I knew Montcalm, I goggled the rest of his name.)

> [@enginerd](#):
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> IQ1: Will you eat anything - even cereal that’s supposed to be good for you?
> 
> IQ2: Does “nanu nanu” mean anything to you?
> 
> IQ3: Were you and two companions thrown into a fiery furnace by Nebuchadnezzar?

IQ1: I am not Mikey.

IQ2: Shazzbot! I am not Mork from Ork.

IQ3: I am not Meschach.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/255 "2012-04-15T22:30:33Z")

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IQ1: Did you sing about Lola, who was a showgirl, with yellow feathers in her hair and a dress cut down to there?

IQ2: Did you hear it in a love song, so it can’t be wrong?

IQ3: In the early days of the WWW, did you create a page featuring the Worst of the Web?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/256 "2012-04-16T00:06:07Z")

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> [@Spoons](#):
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> IQ1: Did you sing about Lola, who was a showgirl, with yellow feathers in her hair and a dress cut down to there?
> 
> IQ2: Did you hear it in a love song, so it can’t be wrong?
> 
> IQ3: In the early days of the WWW, did you create a page featuring the Worst of the Web?

IQ1: I am not Barry Manilow.

IQ2: Nice, but I am not Marshall Tucker.

IQ3: Take a DQ.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/257 "2012-04-16T03:00:33Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> IQs:
> 
> Did you live in a house in Paris covered with vines?  
> Did you tell an interviewer that your dad could cook only two things?  
> Did you once play a Reagan White House aide?

Madeline, the little French schoolgirl in the books by Ludwig Bemmelmans (sp?).  
The young Malia Obama, who told _60 Minutes_’s Steve Kroft during a visit to the candidate’s Chicago home that her dad’s skills in the kitchen were somewhat limited.  
Dennis Miller, in the famous SNL sketch where Reagan (Phil Hartman) was revealed to be a behind-the-scenes political mastermind and geopolitical schemer.

DQs:

Are you now alive?  
Does your first name begin with “M”?  
Best known for politics or the military?

IQs:

Did you pick your name from a street sign?  
Did you do something that only two other men have done?  
Were you a poet as well as a horseman?

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**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\
**Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/258 "2012-04-16T04:58:30Z")

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IQ1: Are you the original bluegrass bandleader?  
IQ2: Did you defeat Rommel’s forces in North Africa?  
IQ3: Are you a pugnacious baseball manager known for short stints with his teams?

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**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\
**Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/259 "2012-04-16T13:50:34Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> Madeline, the little French schoolgirl in the books by Ludwig Bemmelmans (sp?).  
> The young Malia Obama, who told _60 Minutes_’s Steve Kroft during a visit to the candidate’s Chicago home that her dad’s skills in the kitchen were somewhat limited.  
> Dennis Miller, in the famous SNL sketch where Reagan (Phil Hartman) was revealed to be a behind-the-scenes political mastermind and geopolitical schemer.
> 
> DQs:
> 
> Are you now alive?  
> Does your first name begin with “M”?  
> Best known for politics or the military?
> 
> IQs:
> 
> Did you pick your name from a street sign?  
> Did you do something that only two other men have done?  
> Were you a poet as well as a horseman?

SUMMARY:

1. I am a real person.
2. I am a man.
3. I am not an American.
4. I was born after 1900.
5. I am currently alive.
6. My first name does not begin with ‘M’.
7. I am not best known for achievements in political or military spheres.  
IQ1: I am not Madison the Mermaid from _Splash_.  
IQ2: I am not Michael Collins, one of only three men to fly on Apollo 11. (That’s probably not who you are thinking of, but maybe the question is too broad? I will leave it to your discretion whether to rephrase or take a DQ - I am fine with either option.)  
IQ3: OK, you got me, take a DQ.

😉

> [@enginerd](#):
>
> IQ1: Are you the original bluegrass bandleader?  
> IQ2: Did you defeat Rommel’s forces in North Africa?  
> IQ3: Are you a pugnacious baseball manager known for short stints with his teams?

IQ1: I think I know who you’re referring to, but his name escapes me. DQ.  
IQ2: No, I am not Field Marshal Sir Bernard Law Montgomery, Viscount of El Alamein.  
IQ3: Are you referring to Danny Murtaugh? If not, then take a DQ.

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**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\
**Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-april-2012-le-ministre-de-lau-dela-chooser-initial-q/617325/260 "2012-04-16T14:56:33Z")

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> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#):
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> IQ1: Are you Lochdubh’s village policemen, so wonderfully played by Robbie Carlyle?
> 
> IQ2: Are you a loquacious companion of Romeo’s?
> 
> IQ3: Were you killed on the Plains of Abraham?

> [@Wargamer](#):
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> IQ1: No idea, take a DQ.
> 
> IQ2: I am not Mercutio.
> 
> IQ3: I am not Louis-Joseph de Montcalm-Gozon, Marquis de Saint-Veran, commander of the French Forces in Canada during the French and Indian Wars. (Ok, I cheated a bit, I knew Montcalm, I goggled the rest of his name.)

Quite right as to Mercutio and Montcalm. An early role for Robbie Carlyle was **Hamish Macbeth** , a policeman in the village of Lochdubh in a series of books by M. C. Beaton which BBC turned into a fun, surreal series for three years.

DQ: Are you best known for your accomplishments in The Arts, being here defined so as to include all visual arts, theatre, dance, music, literature or other creative endeavours, whether done for the entertainment of others or for the sake of the creative act itself?

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